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boston bean

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17. Who is talking about giving them a veto or making them angry as a reason?
Sun Apr 21, 2019, 10:36 AM
Apr 2019

You are responding with something no one is stating.

Remember when republikkklans mercuryblues Apr 2019 #1
I agree and glad you stated this OKNancy Apr 2019 #2
I'm really glad you advocate deference to Speaker Pelosi here. better Apr 2019 #69
Is that what will happen? Sucha NastyWoman Apr 2019 #3
Stop the GOD DAMN bashing of my party please Eliot Rosewater Apr 2019 #51
Excuse me, but she didn't bash the party. She asked a valid and important question. better Apr 2019 #64
The comment was that if they don't impeach (a futile move) then Democrats are weak. George II Apr 2019 #125
I'll refer you to any of the couple dozen other posts I've made today on the subject for detail. better Apr 2019 #129
Exactly. And also, Nixon resigned well before the proceedings even got to the Senate. SunSeeker Apr 2019 #132
No George, the comment was expressing a concern that Dems will be perceived as weak by voters. SunSeeker Apr 2019 #134
Sorry, but we need to look in the mirror. qdouble Apr 2019 #122
It isn't YOUR party. Act_of_Reparation Apr 2019 #141
Stop the GOD DAMN bashing of my party please Eliot Rosewater Apr 2019 #52
You are not going to tell me what I am allowed to think Sucha NastyWoman Apr 2019 #70
I think you make a valid point lunatica Apr 2019 #104
Maybe they don't trust my low post count. I've been At DU since 2001 -almost the beginning Sucha NastyWoman Apr 2019 #118
Dude, I'm pissed too, you know this man ... mr_lebowski Apr 2019 #71
chillax G_j Apr 2019 #96
Stop the GOD DAMN drama Bradshaw3 Apr 2019 #102
tactically, democrats HAVE to pass articles of impeachment in the house BUT beachbum bob Apr 2019 #4
umm, let me give you a preview of the downside. boston bean Apr 2019 #6
I think we have moved past that, bb. We can at least lay out the indictment against him. CTyankee Apr 2019 #26
+1 Ponietz Apr 2019 #33
Hi CT. It is not just that the republicans will not go forward with a conviction. boston bean Apr 2019 #34
I think we have a real problem here with our system. CTyankee Apr 2019 #43
Voting him out is just as quick as an impeachment at this point. boston bean Apr 2019 #45
Yep. I thought so...let's just hope nobody get antsy... CTyankee Apr 2019 #46
Then let SDNY put his fucking ASS in prison Eliot Rosewater Apr 2019 #55
SDNY can't bring charges against Trump while president, per OLC policy. SunSeeker Apr 2019 #133
Exactly what I meant, AFTER he leaves unless somehow impeachment hearings get him Eliot Rosewater Apr 2019 #138
He will pardon himself of all federal charges before he leaves (or Pence will). SunSeeker Apr 2019 #140
"Voting him out is just as quick as an impeachment at this point." LenaBaby61 Apr 2019 #105
In terms of expediency, the two paths may indeed be about equal. better Apr 2019 #106
The impeachment process can get started and investigations commence... 2naSalit Apr 2019 #47
It could be more like OJ though treestar Apr 2019 #54
I'd encourage you to think more broadly. better Apr 2019 #77
THIS. BlueWI Apr 2019 #100
100% Buffalo Soldier Apr 2019 #121
They are masters of spin mcar Apr 2019 #79
tactically, they HAVE to hold investigations...NOT impeach (yet) Baltimike Apr 2019 #80
Exactly!! sarabelle Apr 2019 #119
I'll support impeachment now Stargazer09 Apr 2019 #5
yeah, yeah...it's just really depressing that it comes down to politics; nobody cares what's right anarch Apr 2019 #7
I see what you say and agree that it is a sad state of affairs. boston bean Apr 2019 #10
the public must be made to see the truth, however uncomfortable it might make them anarch Apr 2019 #21
If he wins in 2020 we are toast. We have to win. boston bean Apr 2019 #22
well, I keep thinking we should give the public the reality TV presidency they crave anarch Apr 2019 #23
We can do that w/o formally starting impeachment proceedings. boston bean Apr 2019 #24
+1000 We HAVE to win in 2020. That cannot be overstated. CaptainTruth Apr 2019 #73
There's actually more than one big picture. BlueWI Apr 2019 #112
Lack of impeachment allows them to crow, and crow, and crow, and portray Dems as weak. ny Grasswire2 Apr 2019 #58
Lack of conviction in Senate allows them to scream Dotard's innocence mcar Apr 2019 #82
We can just accept defeat before we begin, or we can SHAPE public opinion. lagomorph777 Apr 2019 #12
No one is accepting defeat. They are looking at realities. boston bean Apr 2019 #14
Actually, yes, we are accepting defeat if we decline to even hold impeachment proceedings. better Apr 2019 #111
It always comes down to politics because that's the reality peggysue2 Apr 2019 #62
One thing to consider, though... better Apr 2019 #81
Exactly. BlueWI Apr 2019 #101
And FAR more importantly with regard to our own base, we overlook what DEFLATES them. better Apr 2019 #103
Agreed. BlueWI Apr 2019 #110
There is that, better peggysue2 Apr 2019 #116
if anyone asked me, ginnyinWI Apr 2019 #8
You are making the common mistake of painting it as a binary choice. lagomorph777 Apr 2019 #9
Why do we need to announce a formal impeachment inquiry to do that? boston bean Apr 2019 #11
Thank you - that is exactly my point. lagomorph777 Apr 2019 #13
Very true. It is the absolute best of both worlds. boston bean Apr 2019 #18
This is where I am... OneGrassRoot Apr 2019 #25
Because impeachment proceedings gives us access to documents that are being withheld and redacted Fullduplexxx Apr 2019 #38
That is not the only way to get these documents as you see Nadler subpeona'd them already. boston bean Apr 2019 #39
They will ignore the subpoena and hope their scotus will protect them Fullduplexxx Apr 2019 #42
What makes you think the same can't happen with impeachment? boston bean Apr 2019 #44
They will not readily comply w/ subpoenas. Ever. n/t sprinkleeninow Apr 2019 #72
Because unlike a formal impeachment inquiry better Apr 2019 #88
I think you are missing a key point. We will get evidence we need such as the Grand Jury Nevermypresident Apr 2019 #89
This is fucking ridiculous manor321 Apr 2019 #15
Who is talking about giving them a veto or making them angry as a reason? boston bean Apr 2019 #17
A little history might shed light on the path forward. rgbecker Apr 2019 #16
I agree. It's hard to imagine, but I think that impeaching Trump at this time Arkansas Granny Apr 2019 #19
Yes, AG. We are always great with shooting ourselves in the foot with circular firing squads. boston bean Apr 2019 #20
Have hearings. Turbineguy Apr 2019 #27
I agree with the sequence, but don't agree that if we don't impeach boston bean Apr 2019 #28
You are still assuming, however, that we necessarily give them that chance. better Apr 2019 #90
I largely agree with you. But there's a correction that you should consider FBaggins Apr 2019 #29
That is a bit more reassuring. Thank you for the info! boston bean Apr 2019 #30
Presided over by John Roberts mcar Apr 2019 #83
Barr will never give the House Mueller's full documents until impeachment is announced Arazi Apr 2019 #31
If that turns out to be the case then I am completely on board with impeachment proceedings. boston bean Apr 2019 #32
Mitch McConnell has faith in his court packing. So do I dammit Arazi Apr 2019 #35
We have had many good rulings in our favor. boston bean Apr 2019 #36
Very glad to see your flexible thinking here. Seriously, thank you for remaining open-minded. better Apr 2019 #92
The point of impeaching him is to impeach him. If the congress doesnt remove him Fullduplexxx Apr 2019 #37
That will not be the message after months long trial publicized on TV. boston bean Apr 2019 #41
Yes hold the hearings first treestar Apr 2019 #40
And if the White House does not cooperate..? kentuck Apr 2019 #48
umm, what is your suggestion? You think they will with an impeachment proceeding? boston bean Apr 2019 #49
I suspect the White House will not cooperate... kentuck Apr 2019 #50
Yes. You are adding a possibility to the equation. boston bean Apr 2019 #56
Do they automatically get the documents under impeachment? mcar Apr 2019 #84
Good question! kentuck Apr 2019 #91
It could be an important part of the equation mcar Apr 2019 #99
True. kentuck Apr 2019 #117
I hope we hammer him and his cronies with investigation after investigation. Proceeding with... George II Apr 2019 #53
FFS we need to focus on what we will do it we elect a POTUS! Not fight impeachment for 18 months! NT USALiberal Apr 2019 #57
We can do both. nt SunSeeker Apr 2019 #59
The news will be about failed impeachment hearings. nt USALiberal Apr 2019 #61
The news will be about the damning testimony at House impeachment investigation hearings. SunSeeker Apr 2019 #66
They will have a trial for months in the middle of the election. boston bean Apr 2019 #75
We are not in the middle of an election. The election is in 18 months. SunSeeker Apr 2019 #86
SunSeeker is right. better Apr 2019 #93
And thousands of words about mcar Apr 2019 #85
Being smart is doing the first thing first and then the second and third things second and third. KPN Apr 2019 #60
Yes they are. They want formal impeachment proceedings to be declared and investigate. boston bean Apr 2019 #63
A formal impeachment investigation resolution grants authority to the judiciary committee. SunSeeker Apr 2019 #68
Right. Impeachment investigation, not KPN Apr 2019 #94
Of course. That is how the process works.nt SunSeeker Apr 2019 #98
Which makes the argument for hearings/ KPN Apr 2019 #113
No. Only a formal impeachment investigation gets us grand jury transcripts. SunSeeker Apr 2019 #131
Okay. I still wonder if it's more a matter of semantics. KPN Apr 2019 #97
When Bill Clinton won the vote in the Senate, were Dems able to shout "EXONERATION"? No SunSeeker Apr 2019 #65
Well said. honest.abe Apr 2019 #87
Agreed. I don't wamt to just take down Trump, I want to take down the whole GOP. CaptainTruth Apr 2019 #67
You're right in linking impeachment to sufficient public support. better Apr 2019 #95
First investigate as much as possible. Cold War Spook Apr 2019 #74
I'm with you. It's a free victory lap Codeine Apr 2019 #76
Agree completely mcar Apr 2019 #78
If we do little or nothing durablend Apr 2019 #109
Who is suggesting doing little or nothing? mcar Apr 2019 #124
Surprise artislife Apr 2019 #107
i say GO FOR IT!!!! Hell we all know they wont win but at least we havent rolled over.. samnsara Apr 2019 #108
I think not impeaching would be just as disastrous. If you can't stand ecstatic Apr 2019 #114
You are absolutely correct quickesst Apr 2019 #115
He could easily win the election without impeachment. qdouble Apr 2019 #123
Why pick a fight.... quickesst Apr 2019 #128
It doesn't matter how the Senate votes qdouble Apr 2019 #135
Exactly the opposite of what I said.... quickesst Apr 2019 #136
The thing is Trump will spin any and everything anyway. qdouble Apr 2019 #137
I think there may be.... quickesst Apr 2019 #139
He could win without impeachment Meowmee Apr 2019 #120
I completely agree with you. NYMinute Apr 2019 #126
TO NOT Impeach will set a very dangerous precedent.... JustFiveMoreMinutes Apr 2019 #127
I go back and forth... stillcool Apr 2019 #130
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