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qazplm135

(7,447 posts)
51. well guess what
Mon Apr 22, 2019, 04:34 PM
Apr 2019

he ain't getting removed before 2020. So you would only do impeachment to have hearings and get information out, which you can as easily do without impeachment to the same positive effect.

I'm resistant because impeachment is a political process. Folks can argue some sort of moral angle, but at the end of the day, it's a purely political process. That means you need enough support of the people to avoid any political hits.

As we stand, right now, there are no polls that put impeachment over the low 40s in approval rating.
Until that number gets at or very close to 60, the public isn't ready for it.

You get there by laying the groundwork and doing investigations and THEN if you do it right and you put the information out, and the public wants it, you will see that number rise and you can justify a process that has been quite rarely and has never actually successfully removed a President. (the threat caused one to resign).

You jump right into it and you either:

1. Do it very quickly in which case folks say you rushed to it
2. Do it very slow and methodically in which case people say you are dragging it out

It's the same reason why you don't bring charges to trial against someone unless you've already done the investigative legwork.

We ALSO know there are several areas of criminality that Mueller didn't even touched. Those too need to be investigated and put together with what Mueller found.

K&R, The arguments against impeachment are falling apart the more facts and data are included uponit7771 Apr 2019 #1
He makes a very good point. cwydro Apr 2019 #2
And that's what the Mid-terms were all about-- ginnyinWI Apr 2019 #3
Without impeachment on the table Scarsdale Apr 2019 #4
Conviction is not necessarily the goal of Impeachment. forgotmylogin Apr 2019 #46
Exactly, first have an impeachment probe BigmanPigman Apr 2019 #57
Impeachment on the table will not stop these people. nt SayItLoud Apr 2019 #75
excellent points NewJeffCT Apr 2019 #5
I think we need to start down the path leftieNanner Apr 2019 #6
Nixon is a much better analogy for tRump's case than Clinton. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2019 #7
Trump is so much worse than Nixon, Clinton, or even Andrew Johnson. lagomorph777 Apr 2019 #45
Stop feeding into this myth that bringing impeachment benefits the person being impeached. world wide wally Apr 2019 #8
Yes, I wonder which side of the issue Trump is coming down on BeyondGeography Apr 2019 #21
+100 Duppers Apr 2019 #32
There's no proof it's a myth. TwilightZone Apr 2019 #37
I never claimed I did, but I certainly don't see the "Trump will win" if we impeach theory at all world wide wally Apr 2019 #42
People understood that Clintons Impeachment was based on BS, that he had consensual sex yaesu Apr 2019 #9
This. Merlot Apr 2019 #15
Agreed - as a true Americn we are duty blund to start the impeachment process. Also, regarding c-rational Apr 2019 #10
Fear and trepidation is also the current logic for Biden's candidacy. Renew Deal Apr 2019 #11
Tired of Democrats Acting Like Battered Wives McKim Apr 2019 #12
+1000 smirkymonkey Apr 2019 #16
Good comparison. Enough wimpiness---impeach NOW. (nt) Paladin Apr 2019 #18
For Team Trump it's mission accomplished. Calista241 Apr 2019 #13
Charles, so am I ... marble falls Apr 2019 #14
Kicked. CB nailed it. KPN Apr 2019 #17
Enough of Holding Our Fingers Up to Figure Out Which Way the Political Wind Is Blowing! panfluteman Apr 2019 #19
Agreed but there's more... hot2na Apr 2019 #35
What if Trump gets impeached disndat Apr 2019 #20
Trump would still face criminal charges from the State of New york world wide wally Apr 2019 #24
Can't have a pardon without a conviction!!!!! Butterflylady Apr 2019 #25
I tought Nixon resigned. disndat Apr 2019 #33
As long as we have open hearings/testimony so the public sees the basis... CaptainTruth Apr 2019 #22
I just call Debbie Dingell(my rep) and basically said: It is time. Dorn Apr 2019 #23
Biggest Difference? Roy Rolling Apr 2019 #26
So let's call these exploratory impeachment hearings MartyTheGreek Apr 2019 #27
It seems like it the repuke narrative and the media then says it's is the Democratic narrrative kimbutgar Apr 2019 #28
If elected democrats had grown a steel spine years ago we would not be in this position now. 47of74 Apr 2019 #29
I agree BeyondGeography Apr 2019 #30
Agree 100% orangecrush Apr 2019 #48
investigating is not doing nothing qazplm135 Apr 2019 #31
They must be formal impeachment investigation hearings -- the only way to get the Grand Jury info. SunSeeker Apr 2019 #38
they don't need the grand jury report qazplm135 Apr 2019 #40
Yes, we do need the info. We don't even know who all the witnesses are. SunSeeker Apr 2019 #41
you've made the grand jury qazplm135 Apr 2019 #43
We don't have time to lose trying to recreate Mueller's investigation, even if that was possible. SunSeeker Apr 2019 #44
well guess what qazplm135 Apr 2019 #51
No, regular oversight hearings will NOT have the same effect as a formal impeachment investigation. SunSeeker Apr 2019 #52
Nixon was WAY different qazplm135 Apr 2019 #53
Trumps crimes are worse. And we have clear evidence as well. SunSeeker Apr 2019 #55
Impeachment is political qazplm135 Apr 2019 #59
Why do you insist on using right wing talking points? The GOP does not need help besmirching this. SunSeeker Apr 2019 #61
Lol qazplm135 Apr 2019 #77
Yeah,but I wonder if the MSM would cover Hearings adequately? Ligyron Apr 2019 #54
Exactly. Impeachment hearings have consequences for the president. SunSeeker Apr 2019 #56
So this is all about media coverage? qazplm135 Apr 2019 #60
It is about our country. SunSeeker Apr 2019 #63
Yes 100% bluescribbler Apr 2019 #34
K & R SunSeeker Apr 2019 #36
K and R Ferrets are Cool Apr 2019 #39
All the investigating and they came up with nothing on Bill orangecrush Apr 2019 #47
Nixon's downfall was not the crime but the coverup. It is the same with Trump. Go get him. trickyguy Apr 2019 #49
If don't impeachTrump, then impeach who, for what in the future? Pepsidog Apr 2019 #50
Good points. But the crux of the matter is...impeaching doesn't remove him. Honeycombe8 Apr 2019 #58
Trump and the GOP have spent nearly 2 years running a disinformation campaign against Mueller. Jarqui Apr 2019 #62
I want him impeached by the House. SunSeeker Apr 2019 #65
I'm all for something like this "formal impeachment investigation proceedings." Jarqui Apr 2019 #68
Have you read the Mueller report? The evidence is there, and is overwhelming. SunSeeker Apr 2019 #69
I have not read it all. Jarqui Apr 2019 #70
We don't need McConnell to impeach. That just takes a majority of the House. SunSeeker Apr 2019 #71
As I've said a number of times "impeachment investigation hearings" Jarqui Apr 2019 #72
I think the GOP is *counting on* Congress "doing nothing." n/ t Beartracks Apr 2019 #64
Excellent brandeis quote EndGOPPropaganda Apr 2019 #66
What a heavyweight he was BeyondGeography Apr 2019 #67
I'll be happy when the younger generation of democrats take over qdouble Apr 2019 #73
Get the full un redacted report then start the process basing it on the full report, as SayItLoud Apr 2019 #74
Always have liked Charles Blow's work. This time, too. calimary Apr 2019 #76
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