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Martin Eden

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23. I didn't think you believe abortion is murder

Sun May 12, 2019, 01:07 PM

May 2019

But it sounded like you pretend to believe that in order to make a point with the anti-choicers (and in the process concede abortion is murder in a misrepresentation of your actual position).

I apologize if I misunderstood your post.

My main point is that we should never concede that abortion is murder -- though your point is well taken if it's cleatly stated up front that for the sake of argument severe punishment would logically follow murder.

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The best pro choice debate strategy you will win every time. [View all] Funtatlaguy May 2019 OP

while i certainly agree with your approach rampartc May 2019 #1

There's a part of the pro-life movement who want exactly this -- charges for both the person who WhiskeyGrinder May 2019 #2

Tell them this will fill our prisons and raise their taxes. Funtatlaguy May 2019 #3

They don't care. Anything to stop abortion in all circumstances and punish those involved. WhiskeyGrinder May 2019 #4

Well, if a doctor has determined that the life of the mother is threatened by a pregnancy, sarabelle May 2019 #5

That's a higher level of debate than most of their minds can handle. Funtatlaguy May 2019 #9

So for men, having unprotected sex greymattermom May 2019 #6

That's certainly an argument a good lawyer could make. Funtatlaguy May 2019 #10

If men have any responsibility for pregnancy, greymattermom May 2019 #7

+1 2naSalit May 2019 #12

the whole problem is: men are not held accountable for sex. This patriarchy we are all CharleyDog May 2019 #32

+1000 smirkymonkey May 2019 #41

I always felt the strongest argument is that the forced birthers are violating our freedom of religi RAB910 May 2019 #8

Another viable argument. Funtatlaguy May 2019 #11

Regarding abortion, there is no "winning" an argument with those who disagree with you elocs May 2019 #13

I actually have changed a few minds. Funtatlaguy May 2019 #14

The problem is that the new Christians would be on board for this Buckeyeblue May 2019 #15

Only until their preachers and deacons are jailed. Funtatlaguy May 2019 #17

I usually find it impossible to change minds on this issue, but........ DFW May 2019 #16

Love it. Funtatlaguy May 2019 #19

YES. More questions: calimary May 2019 #33

The trouble with that is DFW May 2019 #39

intelligent Rambling Man May 2019 #35

The American Taliban would agree with you FakeNoose May 2019 #18

That argument concedes that abortion is murder Martin Eden May 2019 #20

My argument said.....hmmmm Funtatlaguy May 2019 #21

I didn't think you believe abortion is murder Martin Eden May 2019 #23

I concede to them that they believe that and I am Funtatlaguy May 2019 #24

More people should point out that abortion is not murder, it is abortion treestar May 2019 #25

"They call it murder to make an appeal to emotion." Martin Eden May 2019 #34

My approach is different but it still uses pre-meditated murder. Cold War Spook May 2019 #22

too many would have ZERO issue with your argument.... beachbum bob May 2019 #26

Just wait until it's someone they know that's involved Funtatlaguy May 2019 #28

thats always the case with almost all people, but still doesn't stop them from supporting insane beachbum bob May 2019 #29

I would never concede to them that abortion is murder. CrispyQ May 2019 #27

Some of them wouild be ok with that nini May 2019 #30

They are not "Pro-Life" Thunderbeast May 2019 #31

They just hate women Rambling Man May 2019 #36

Looking at them with pity in my eyes and saying, "God, you're stupid," LastLiberal in PalmSprings May 2019 #37

Given that they're probably already ok with murdering any Planned Parenthood M.D., ... JustABozoOnThisBus May 2019 #38

I've thought of this argument a while ago, and I never used it but then... TlalocW May 2019 #40