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treestar

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25. More people should point out that abortion is not murder, it is abortion
Sun May 12, 2019, 01:27 PM
May 2019

At common law, it was a crime separate from murder. And there is a logical reason for that. So they are simply conflating it. If they want it to be illegal again, it should be illegal as abortion, not murder. When it was illegal, it was never treated as murder or called that.

I imagine it became illegal not because of the sanctity of life, but the usual reason that earlier societies needed more people, and thus birth control was illegal, dueling was illegal for depriving the king of a soldier. I have seen a good argument that the Bible prohibits homosexuality and masterbation for the same reason - wasting of sperm to make more Israelis.

Suicide was also illegal for this reason, so people could be prosecuted for an attempt.

They call it murder to make an appeal to emotion. They don't think far enough to even care enough to research what the penalty was back when it was against the law. We don't even know what it would look like for them to get what they want.

By insisting every life begins at conception they are ignoring a major life event - birth. One that is more easily marked and recognized.

while i certainly agree with your approach rampartc May 2019 #1
There's a part of the pro-life movement who want exactly this -- charges for both the person who WhiskeyGrinder May 2019 #2
Tell them this will fill our prisons and raise their taxes. Funtatlaguy May 2019 #3
They don't care. Anything to stop abortion in all circumstances and punish those involved. WhiskeyGrinder May 2019 #4
Well, if a doctor has determined that the life of the mother is threatened by a pregnancy, sarabelle May 2019 #5
That's a higher level of debate than most of their minds can handle. Funtatlaguy May 2019 #9
So for men, having unprotected sex greymattermom May 2019 #6
That's certainly an argument a good lawyer could make. Funtatlaguy May 2019 #10
If men have any responsibility for pregnancy, greymattermom May 2019 #7
+1 2naSalit May 2019 #12
the whole problem is: men are not held accountable for sex. This patriarchy we are all CharleyDog May 2019 #32
+1000 smirkymonkey May 2019 #41
I always felt the strongest argument is that the forced birthers are violating our freedom of religi RAB910 May 2019 #8
Another viable argument. Funtatlaguy May 2019 #11
Regarding abortion, there is no "winning" an argument with those who disagree with you elocs May 2019 #13
I actually have changed a few minds. Funtatlaguy May 2019 #14
The problem is that the new Christians would be on board for this Buckeyeblue May 2019 #15
Only until their preachers and deacons are jailed. Funtatlaguy May 2019 #17
I usually find it impossible to change minds on this issue, but........ DFW May 2019 #16
Love it. Funtatlaguy May 2019 #19
YES. More questions: calimary May 2019 #33
The trouble with that is DFW May 2019 #39
intelligent Rambling Man May 2019 #35
The American Taliban would agree with you FakeNoose May 2019 #18
That argument concedes that abortion is murder Martin Eden May 2019 #20
My argument said.....hmmmm Funtatlaguy May 2019 #21
I didn't think you believe abortion is murder Martin Eden May 2019 #23
I concede to them that they believe that and I am Funtatlaguy May 2019 #24
More people should point out that abortion is not murder, it is abortion treestar May 2019 #25
"They call it murder to make an appeal to emotion." Martin Eden May 2019 #34
My approach is different but it still uses pre-meditated murder. Cold War Spook May 2019 #22
too many would have ZERO issue with your argument.... beachbum bob May 2019 #26
Just wait until it's someone they know that's involved Funtatlaguy May 2019 #28
thats always the case with almost all people, but still doesn't stop them from supporting insane beachbum bob May 2019 #29
I would never concede to them that abortion is murder. CrispyQ May 2019 #27
Some of them wouild be ok with that nini May 2019 #30
They are not "Pro-Life" Thunderbeast May 2019 #31
They just hate women Rambling Man May 2019 #36
Looking at them with pity in my eyes and saying, "God, you're stupid," LastLiberal in PalmSprings May 2019 #37
Given that they're probably already ok with murdering any Planned Parenthood M.D., ... JustABozoOnThisBus May 2019 #38
I've thought of this argument a while ago, and I never used it but then... TlalocW May 2019 #40
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