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lunatica

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14. Kick
Fri May 17, 2019, 01:02 PM
May 2019

Last edited Fri May 17, 2019, 02:07 PM - Edit history (2)

The Republicans impeached Clinton for lying. It wasn’t because he had an affair, or because he broke any law which, by the way, never existed. That was supposedly his ‘crime’. I remember it so well. The saccharine mewling of Republicans, especially Senator Henry Hyde, who later excused his own extramarital sex when he was in his forties as “youthful indiscretion”. He endlessly repeated the daily talking point that they were protecting the children from the knowledge of salacious sex. Daily we heard, “What do we tell the children!?” in the Republican’s determination to keep the subject alive and in the public eye and discourse. When that wore thin and didn’t get the traction they aimed for they switched their justification to needing to impeach him for lying. Any attempt for us to make the mountain back into a molehill failed miserably. They managed their message so well that even today they are using it to diminish Trump’s crimes.

They’re doing their best to reduce his crimes into appearing to be a political attempt to take power away from the Republicans. Trump is no more than a pawn in their arsenal who they want to stay in power because he’s the best thing that ever happened to them in terms of their personal wealth and the fast-tracking of their agenda to rule rather than represent.

I strongly suspect that the recent passage of the monstrous anti abortion laws are an effective distraction so we get side tracked by forcing us to deal with some real and serious issues instead of consolidating our power to impeach Trump. Before anything dismisses this idea it helps to understand that Republicans act as one when it comes to their agenda. It doesn’t matter if Republicans are elected to the State or Federal level. They all get their daily talking points which they spread throughout the land using the exact same words and punctuation. During the Clinton years, before email they probably got their talking points via fax machines. Everyone who pays attention can easily see the self evident truth in the effectiveness of the ad nauseam repetition of Republican messaging. They know the new anti abortion law is un-Constitutional and will probably get struck down, but it is meant to force us to fight it, just like we fight the child separation at the border, because both are crimes against humanity which we cannot allow.

The Republican tactics are quite deliberate. There should be a word or a phrase that captures the concept of their power tactics, because the effect is like a tsunami which we cannot sidestep, battle against or ignore no matter how clearly we perceive their tactics.


Regarding Impeachment [View all] H2O Man May 2019 OP
Nice. Chin music May 2019 #1
Thank you! H2O Man May 2019 #11
K&R, Red Don has already shot someone on 5th avenue. We should go through the process but that .... uponit7771 May 2019 #2
Right. H2O Man May 2019 #12
+1, I've spent 30 years in IT. The level of penetration into our electoral systems is gob smacking uponit7771 May 2019 #13
Good post Poiuyt May 2019 #3
True StarfishSaver May 2019 #6
Rather than being responsive to the wishes of their constituency, I think that the House Poiuyt May 2019 #7
I don't think it's "being avoided for political reasons" StarfishSaver May 2019 #8
In civil law, H2O Man May 2019 #15
Some one in the House Leadership Wellstone ruled May 2019 #4
I agree 100%. H2O Man May 2019 #17
Thank you! StarfishSaver May 2019 #26
Understandable folks are Wellstone ruled May 2019 #28
Precisely! StarfishSaver May 2019 #29
This is intriguing coeur_de_lion May 2019 #53
DC Federal Judge is demanding Wellstone ruled May 2019 #62
I hope this is their strategy srobertss May 2019 #25
Most of my money is on McConnell eleny May 2019 #60
K&R... spanone May 2019 #5
Thank you! H2O Man May 2019 #31
I agree it is a legal process... kentuck May 2019 #9
+1, I do agree that we should go through the process and that process should be outlined to us uponit7771 May 2019 #16
Exactly. H2O Man May 2019 #32
We must use the power of impeachment now, before it is too late. JoeOtterbein May 2019 #10
Agreed. The waiting itself is getting more and more dangerous for the Rule Of Law. Lock him up. May 2019 #19
I agree. H2O Man May 2019 #33
Kick lunatica May 2019 #14
Right. H2O Man May 2019 #34
Great post. Use the impeachment process to bleed republican traitors into submission. Pepsidog May 2019 #18
Right. H2O Man May 2019 #35
In law school I learned very early on that almost anything can be interpreted or viewed from many Pepsidog May 2019 #44
You are so right StarfishSaver May 2019 #46
Right. H2O Man May 2019 #47
"The Constitution states that in these circumstances, Congress "shall" impeach the president." former9thward May 2019 #61
Check ypur Constitution again. bornskeptic May 2019 #52
We're not discussing the Constitution's impeachment language StarfishSaver May 2019 #54
The post I responded to made a claim about the Constitution's langusge. bornskeptic May 2019 #58
You're right StarfishSaver May 2019 #59
Thanks Bro malaise May 2019 #20
Thank you! H2O Man May 2019 #36
Thank you for another informative and enlightening essay Hekate May 2019 #21
Thanks, Hekate! H2O Man May 2019 #37
Here's the flaw in your argument... brooklynite May 2019 #22
In a way, it's similar to a grand jury. kentuck May 2019 #24
Respectfully disagree. H2O Man May 2019 #30
Impeachment is a legal process AND a political act Martin Eden May 2019 #23
I agree H2O Man May 2019 #40
Yes -- demand a higher level than politics Martin Eden May 2019 #45
Thank you, H2O Man gademocrat7 May 2019 #27
Thanks! H2O Man May 2019 #41
Auto rec for H2O Man JonLP24 May 2019 #38
Thank you! H2O Man May 2019 #42
Kick dalton99a May 2019 #39
Thanks! H2O Man May 2019 #43
What you wrote deserves permanent visibility. dalton99a May 2019 #49
Excellent... Ani Yun Wiya May 2019 #48
For many years, the Repub party has pushed the 'republic, not democracy' line Maeve May 2019 #50
Thank you. Firestorm49 May 2019 #51
GOP doing all it can to deflect most important thing: Trump-Russia TREASON Kid Berwyn May 2019 #55
Not prosecuting grievous offenses undermines the rule of law as much as the offenses do themselves Tom Rinaldo May 2019 #56
Do you remember during the 2016 campaign when the Con said malaise May 2019 #57
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