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TlalocW

(15,377 posts)
40. I've thought of this argument a while ago, and I never used it but then...
Tue May 21, 2019, 08:02 PM
May 2019

I read an article about a guy who uses it as well, and he gets "good" reactions to it.

Basically, you give the following situation. You are in a burning room in a burning building. Don't worry about how, but there is one child in one corner and six children in another corner. You cannot save all of them - you can either save the one child with 100% certainty but also 100% certainty that the six children will die. Or you can save the six children with 100% certainty but the one child will die with 100% certainty. There is no, "Well, if I did this..." hypotheticals. Death for one child, life for six or death for six children, life for one. You don't know any of the children. Who do you save?

Once you get them past their hemming and hawing, they'll say the 6 children.

Ask about the same situation but for five children then four children, then three children, then two children. They will say the multiple children.

Back to the first situation. One child in one corner you can save, six in the other corner. But the six "children" are fertilized eggs in a handy carrying-case that will protect them. And throw in, and you know that not only will the zygotes survive, they will all be implanted in women who will then successfully give birth to healthy children.

Who do you save?

If they say the six zygotes, they are at least weirdly consistent. More than likely, they'll start hemming and hawing again, and at that point, you don't even need for them to say anything. Something else is making them re-think their answer. Ask them what it is. Chances are they won't have a good answer or won't want to give one.

TlalocW

while i certainly agree with your approach rampartc May 2019 #1
There's a part of the pro-life movement who want exactly this -- charges for both the person who WhiskeyGrinder May 2019 #2
Tell them this will fill our prisons and raise their taxes. Funtatlaguy May 2019 #3
They don't care. Anything to stop abortion in all circumstances and punish those involved. WhiskeyGrinder May 2019 #4
Well, if a doctor has determined that the life of the mother is threatened by a pregnancy, sarabelle May 2019 #5
That's a higher level of debate than most of their minds can handle. Funtatlaguy May 2019 #9
So for men, having unprotected sex greymattermom May 2019 #6
That's certainly an argument a good lawyer could make. Funtatlaguy May 2019 #10
If men have any responsibility for pregnancy, greymattermom May 2019 #7
+1 2naSalit May 2019 #12
the whole problem is: men are not held accountable for sex. This patriarchy we are all CharleyDog May 2019 #32
+1000 smirkymonkey May 2019 #41
I always felt the strongest argument is that the forced birthers are violating our freedom of religi RAB910 May 2019 #8
Another viable argument. Funtatlaguy May 2019 #11
Regarding abortion, there is no "winning" an argument with those who disagree with you elocs May 2019 #13
I actually have changed a few minds. Funtatlaguy May 2019 #14
The problem is that the new Christians would be on board for this Buckeyeblue May 2019 #15
Only until their preachers and deacons are jailed. Funtatlaguy May 2019 #17
I usually find it impossible to change minds on this issue, but........ DFW May 2019 #16
Love it. Funtatlaguy May 2019 #19
YES. More questions: calimary May 2019 #33
The trouble with that is DFW May 2019 #39
intelligent Rambling Man May 2019 #35
The American Taliban would agree with you FakeNoose May 2019 #18
That argument concedes that abortion is murder Martin Eden May 2019 #20
My argument said.....hmmmm Funtatlaguy May 2019 #21
I didn't think you believe abortion is murder Martin Eden May 2019 #23
I concede to them that they believe that and I am Funtatlaguy May 2019 #24
More people should point out that abortion is not murder, it is abortion treestar May 2019 #25
"They call it murder to make an appeal to emotion." Martin Eden May 2019 #34
My approach is different but it still uses pre-meditated murder. Cold War Spook May 2019 #22
too many would have ZERO issue with your argument.... beachbum bob May 2019 #26
Just wait until it's someone they know that's involved Funtatlaguy May 2019 #28
thats always the case with almost all people, but still doesn't stop them from supporting insane beachbum bob May 2019 #29
I would never concede to them that abortion is murder. CrispyQ May 2019 #27
Some of them wouild be ok with that nini May 2019 #30
They are not "Pro-Life" Thunderbeast May 2019 #31
They just hate women Rambling Man May 2019 #36
Looking at them with pity in my eyes and saying, "God, you're stupid," LastLiberal in PalmSprings May 2019 #37
Given that they're probably already ok with murdering any Planned Parenthood M.D., ... JustABozoOnThisBus May 2019 #38
I've thought of this argument a while ago, and I never used it but then... TlalocW May 2019 #40
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