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Proud Liberal Dem

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11. That's the part of this that really bugs me

Mon Jun 3, 2019, 01:39 PM

Jun 2019

The Trump campaign was approached by/collaborated with prominent Russians with established connections to their government to get "dirt" on HRC and Democrats, but since it wasn't directly with Russian GOVERNMENT officials, then ergo, Trump didn't collude with the Russians to get assistance with getting elected (even though the Russian government clearly wanted Trump to win and Hillary to lose).

Also, the obstruction piece is important here too. Even if the Russian collusion angle fails, there are numerous instances of Trump and his minions at least attempting to obstruct the investigation. And Mueller didn't exonerate Trump of that. That alone should be enough to impeach IMHO. If Perjury over an affair was good enough to get Clinton, there's plenty more to get Trump with. And that's not even counting the alleged corruption and gross incompetence.

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BOOM! here is THE message the Dems should push now: THE MUELLER REPORT IS A SMOKING GUN [View all] EveHammond13 Jun 2019 OP

Donny Deutsch had an interesting idea Cetacea Jun 2019 #1

Yep - Donnie Duetsch suggested last week JustAnotherGen Jun 2019 #4

Great Cetacea Jun 2019 #8

I was jumping up and down in agreeement when he said that. lagomorph777 Jun 2019 #10

I would totally go for that wryter2000 Jun 2019 #29

I've been reading the Mueller report on my shortwave radio. Bonx Jun 2019 #2

wow! creative and smart EveHammond13 Jun 2019 #6

+1,000 malaise Jun 2019 #3

Use this when you JustAnotherGen Jun 2019 #5

indeed EveHammond13 Jun 2019 #7

Doesn't deist99 Jun 2019 #9

That's the part of this that really bugs me Proud Liberal Dem Jun 2019 #11

Problem deist99 Jun 2019 #17

The "can't be obstruction without a conspiracy" is a legal fiction invented by Barr, et. al Proud Liberal Dem Jun 2019 #19

Right deist99 Jun 2019 #22

But the base already thinks that Democrats are "out to get him" Proud Liberal Dem Jun 2019 #27

not the base deist99 Jun 2019 #36

You seem to be thinking Mueller's scope included all of Trump's crimes. lagomorph777 Jun 2019 #12

Proof deist99 Jun 2019 #18

Are you saying that we should only impeach if we can remove? Proud Liberal Dem Jun 2019 #20

Presumably the Russiapublican GOP Senate would "acquit" him, but that's almost beside the point. lagomorph777 Jun 2019 #23

That is my view of things, too. trev Jun 2019 #28

assuming deist99 Jun 2019 #35

There is a lot that the average public simply hasn't heard (though it is known). lagomorph777 Jun 2019 #37

Win deist99 Jun 2019 #24

Why would it hurt us in 2020 if he is "exonerated" by a Republican Senate? Proud Liberal Dem Jun 2019 #25

Exactly true. Same effect. He didn't do a single thing Laura PourMeADrink Jun 2019 #31

Even IF true, I refuse to play by rules that Rs don't follow. Let's win messaging battle. EveHammond13 Jun 2019 #15

Exactly. Mueller said 21 different times that his office "did not identify evidence" trump campaign Hoyt Jun 2019 #34

I think the Mueller Report says Dirty Socialist Jun 2019 #13

How about "Donald Trump moves to Abort Democracy" diva77 Jun 2019 #14

I was thinking #AbortTheCourt if it overturns Roe EveHammond13 Jun 2019 #16

We can't do that. It might upset the Republicans gldstwmn Jun 2019 #21

Still hot smoking gun Quemado Jun 2019 #26

Wish we had a time machine from two months ago. Laura PourMeADrink Jun 2019 #30

Mueller laid it all out for Congress to impeach Trump. Botany Jun 2019 #32

Brought the mueller report port at Barnes and noble yesterday kimbutgar Jun 2019 #33