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47. Eh. Why not impeach him?

Fri Jun 7, 2019, 10:25 AM

Jun 2019

While it's likely not going anywhere in the Senate because the Republican Party is as hopelessly corrupt/compromised as Trump is, the House still has the obligation to hold hearings and let the chips fall where they may irregardless of what anybody else does. And IMHO just sitting around and waiting for 2020 to vote him out without any repercussions doesn't do us any favor in terms of making the case for getting rid of him 2020 and Trump will just tout inaction as "vindication" and weakness.

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It is being reported Pelosi wants to vote Trump out and then convict him. [View all] shockey80 Jun 2019 OP

Won't work. If Trump loses, he will simply resign MineralMan Jun 2019 #1

This could very well happen. Wellstone ruled Jun 2019 #4

FWIW, Manafort has now been charged with state crimes dixiegrrrrl Jun 2019 #8

Do pardons work like that? Flaleftist Jun 2019 #12

Yes. That's what Nixon got from Ford. MineralMan Jun 2019 #23

Then why hasn't Trump simply pardoned Nuggets Jun 2019 #29

I don't think he can do that. Nobody ever has. MineralMan Jun 2019 #31

Thanks. Nt Nuggets Jun 2019 #33

That scenario will not work grantcart Jun 2019 #27

This sounds right. Eyeball_Kid Jun 2019 #32

There is nothing about that in the Constitution, which is the only MineralMan Jun 2019 #36

It is bed rock common law that anything that contributes to the furtherance of a crime is inherently grantcart Jun 2019 #57

The thing is that there is no court with jurisdiction over presidential pardons. MineralMan Jun 2019 #59

A pardon can't be overturned, but a pardon for an illegal purpose can be an impeachable offense StarfishSaver Jun 2019 #61

Of course the courts have jurisdiction to rule on the validity of pardons, they grantcart Jun 2019 #64

The district court's ruling dealt with the scope of the president's pardon power, not the substance StarfishSaver Jun 2019 #67

Actually, I think it could work OK. If Trump loses the election, Pence's term would end MineralMan Jun 2019 #34

Unfortunately, I think you're correct StarfishSaver Jun 2019 #39

Doesn't seem to me that there is much in doing that for Pence. ooky Jun 2019 #42

I do not pretend to have any idea what Pence thinks about. MineralMan Jun 2019 #44

Not saying you do. ooky Jun 2019 #48

Nobody like Trump has ever occurred, so the fact that no President has ever been tried pnwmom Jun 2019 #60

Precisely! StarfishSaver Jun 2019 #62

Hmm...perhaps. On the other hand, once Trump is gone from MineralMan Jun 2019 #63

Yes, NY DID pass that law. It makes an exception to its double jeopardy laws pnwmom Jun 2019 #65

I'd love to see Trump in prison. MineralMan Jun 2019 #72

Yup. cwydro Jun 2019 #78

Unless Trump is going to pay CASH to Pence, what's in it for him to no_hypocrisy Jun 2019 #101

If it looks like he won't be reelected, he will resign just before November Meadowoak Jun 2019 #2

After the election exboyfil Jun 2019 #51

I can't imagine Trump resigning because that would be an admission of defeat. The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2019 #54

This is gambling with the country and I don't particularly care for it tymorial Jun 2019 #77

He was t elected to begin with. It could happen again. onecaliberal Jun 2019 #81

Absolutely! Laura PourMeADrink Jun 2019 #86

Never. Anyone who thinks Trump resigns from anything hasn't been paying attention. Honeycombe8 Jun 2019 #103

That is her way of saying she's not going to impeach. berni_mccoy Jun 2019 #3

Can you read minds? ehrnst Jun 2019 #6

NO, it is not. Speculation that Nancy might be protecting Trump Hortensis Jun 2019 #16

Pelosi has a history of avoiding impeachment. Eyeball_Kid Jun 2019 #37

But how can she and why would she? Hortensis Jun 2019 #45

I've always received enlightenment on DU. Thank you. sprinkleeninow Jun 2019 #58

:) As you say, good god! The midterms have helped Hortensis Jun 2019 #68

I know. At the least we got the House. sprinkleeninow Jun 2019 #75

🍢🍡🦴🔝🔝🔝🔝🔝🔝🔝🔝🔝🔝🔝🔝 pbmus Jun 2019 #79

This should be an OP. Turin_C3PO Jun 2019 #84

Well said Empowerer Jun 2019 #90

Well looks like she's taking impeachment off the table again Fullduplexxx Jun 2019 #5

When has she taken impeaching Trump "off the table?" ehrnst Jun 2019 #7

It seems pretty obvious at this point. cwydro Jun 2019 #9

So you don't have any evidence that she has ever taken it off the table for Trump. ehrnst Jun 2019 #14

In her own words, "I don't want to impeach him." cwydro Jun 2019 #15

That's like the GOP cherry picking "you didn't build that." ehrnst Jun 2019 #17

So...she did say that. cwydro Jun 2019 #24

If you read further at the link... ehrnst Jun 2019 #25

Pelosi's statements imply that she has no faith in the impeachment inquiry process. Eyeball_Kid Jun 2019 #40

"imply" - there you have it. She didn't state that, you want to believe it. ehrnst Jun 2019 #41

I don't think you should believe that. Everyone wants Hortensis Jun 2019 #19

I was agreeing with your post until I got to the unnecessary snark at the end. cwydro Jun 2019 #35

You made specific personal judgements as to Pelosi's thinking and motives. ehrnst Jun 2019 #43

I absolutely did not. I simply repeated her words. cwydro Jun 2019 #73

What you are missing dear Cwydro, is a lack of blind faith! Laura PourMeADrink Jun 2019 #83

Obviously lol. cwydro Jun 2019 #85

.... ehrnst Jun 2019 #95

Combo straw man and false dillema fallacies. ehrnst Jun 2019 #106

Do not say i said something I didn't. ehrnst Jun 2019 #94

Pelosi is wrong now just as she was wrong in "keeping powder dry" and PufPuf23 Jun 2019 #10

That is correct - you do not understand her logic or opinion. ehrnst Jun 2019 #20

Looks like you're making "personal judgments" lol. cwydro Jun 2019 #74

As you are doing with Pelosi. (nt) ehrnst Jun 2019 #92

Now let me understand bdamomma Jun 2019 #11

Trump cheated once to become president. There's no reason to believe Poiuyt Jun 2019 #13

The OP didn't post a link, so we don't know what she said. (nt) ehrnst Jun 2019 #21

Even if he's impeached, he won't be removed so voters will STILL have to vote him out StarfishSaver Jun 2019 #22

+1000. (nt) ehrnst Jun 2019 #26

Exactly. Hoyt Jun 2019 #38

oh boy bdamomma Jun 2019 #49

True - but even before we flood the polls, we must do everything in our power to make sure OTHER StarfishSaver Jun 2019 #52

Not only us, who help in campaigns and GOTV, but Laura PourMeADrink Jun 2019 #87

They (repigs) will bdamomma Jun 2019 #96

Link please? Oh, wait, here's one... ehrnst Jun 2019 #18

When the election will be stolen from us again anyway, how in the hell will this work? On top of dewsgirl Jun 2019 #28

we are there with the damage bdamomma Jun 2019 #50

Rachel Maddow did a special in this during the week. dewsgirl Jun 2019 #82

Exactly! If you live in a red state you hear it frequently..the Laura PourMeADrink Jun 2019 #88

I hope she just waits until 6 months before the election to Nuggets Jun 2019 #30

Yes, but think there is some point when the window Laura PourMeADrink Jun 2019 #89

It was also reported this morning Skidmore Jun 2019 #46

This is really interesting. Have you thought of making it an OP? StarfishSaver Jun 2019 #53

Yes, but how many of those are just being obedient Laura PourMeADrink Jun 2019 #97

Eh. Why not impeach him? Proud Liberal Dem Jun 2019 #47

Exactly. They already think that Mueller found nothing Laura PourMeADrink Jun 2019 #98

This assumes the election will not be stolen, Golden Raisin Jun 2019 #55

It's still the only way. bearsfootball516 Jun 2019 #56

If trump can use a go fund me account to build a wall Laura PourMeADrink Jun 2019 #102

She may want to convict him, but she has no power to do so. aikoaiko Jun 2019 #66

If Democrats are so disillusioned by lack of impeachment action that they don't take the action they StarfishSaver Jun 2019 #70

Voters or those we would like to see vote for us can demand anything they want. aikoaiko Jun 2019 #71

That's stupid. If Dems are too cowardly to impeach him OliverQ Jun 2019 #69

K&R BlueJac Jun 2019 #76

If he resigns does he still get his presidential pension? Buckeyeblue Jun 2019 #80

She has never wanted to impeach anyone. Honeycombe8 Jun 2019 #91

If people won't vote to remove Trump because Democrats didn't impeach him StarfishSaver Jun 2019 #93

Overall enthusiasm suffers. To donate. To GOTV.. Laura PourMeADrink Jun 2019 #99

That will probably be what happens whether he's impeached or not. The Senate will not vote to Vinca Jun 2019 #100

Two actions she has zero control over. shanny Jun 2019 #104

So? (nt) ehrnst Jun 2019 #107

You mean she wants us to vote him and the courts to deal with him BeyondGeography Jun 2019 #105

Are impeachment + jail mutually exclusive? mainer Jun 2019 #108