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calimary

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28. But the thing everybody forgets, about this (or maybe avoids?)
Mon Jun 10, 2019, 03:29 PM
Jun 2019

is that assuming we can just vote him out in 2020 is agonizingly naive.

1) The Russians are still here. They haven’t gone away, or been driven away, or locked out. And at this point, we can reasonably suspect China and Saudi Arabia and the UAE and other international oppositionals are joining the feeding frenzy if they’re not deep into it already. Hey, since the Russians proved it’s possible to get YOUR pick for POTUS who will be much more sympathetic to YOUR interests than even America’s own, then shit! Everybody into the pool!
And if the Russians were motivated to help trump because of how it would advantage THEM, then they’ll be even more highly motivated to move Heaven and Earth to keep trump in office. To keep that advantage in place - since he’s been exposed and could sing like Pavarotti if he fails to win and then becomes subject to prosecution as a private citizen. If they can keep their asset in office til 2024, that eases him safely past the expiration of the statute of limitations that expires in 2022 and into safe legal territory.

2) Democrats are really good, reliably good, infuriatingly good, at wilting. Becoming discouraged or disheartened and giving up. Deciding there’s no point, or “they’re all the same/both sides-both sides!” Throwing up their hands in disgust and staying home. And there goes our numerical advantage.
Or, my fear: the Dems will decide it’s smarter to shy away from serious political combat and fail to impeach because they think the Senate won’t convict (so why stir things up like that - oh dear! We might make somebody mad!). Or because they’re afraid they’ll alienate independents or wavering ex-GOP voters in 2020, so going REEEEEEALLY slow and sending a lot of those sternly-worded letters to this White House should be enough. I think we’d be apt to see tons of pissed-off Democratic activists who ask “why the hell did I work so hard to flip the House if they finally got the majority power needed to hold this monster accountable - and they wimped out? So why should I even bother?” And they’d stay home on Election Day and become next-to-impossible to woo back.
THAT’S what I fear most.

We HAVE TO get ON with it. We HAVE TO impeach.

We need to at least start an Impeachment Inquiry to get to the facts. lark Jun 2019 #1
Which Nadler is now doing. CaptainTruth Jun 2019 #6
Nancy vs a writer from Salon, who should I believe? comradebillyboy Jun 2019 #2
Paul Rosenberg is a journalist untainted by either legal training or government/political experience StarfishSaver Jun 2019 #3
Yeah. I'm getting really tired of these pundits comradebillyboy Jun 2019 #4
Yeah, politicians and lawyers have done a marvelous job ... GeorgeGist Jun 2019 #7
Perhaps. But if that's the case, instead of sniping from the sidelines, journalists and pundits StarfishSaver Jun 2019 #8
lol melman Jun 2019 #21
Well melman Jun 2019 #22
No, you can't StarfishSaver Jun 2019 #23
As President Obama said, 'when you get on a jet plane, you like to feel confident that the empedocles Jun 2019 #26
How about Laurence Tribe? Cuthbert Allgood Jun 2019 #12
I'm with her. Tribe can pontificate from his ivory tower comradebillyboy Jun 2019 #15
This StarfishSaver Jun 2019 #16
I'm with the constitutional scholar Cuthbert Allgood Jun 2019 #17
That's nice. comradebillyboy Jun 2019 #18
... StarfishSaver Jun 2019 #19
As nice as your position that you stated Cuthbert Allgood Jun 2019 #20
I'll be polite stopdiggin Jun 2019 #27
Excellent! StarfishSaver Jun 2019 #29
He's bdamomma Jun 2019 #30
The biggest threat: Bayard Jun 2019 #5
There is no way to remove him before 2021 wryter2000 Jun 2019 #24
or being aware of the Saudis having journalists bdamomma Jun 2019 #35
But the thing everybody forgets, about this (or maybe avoids?) calimary Jun 2019 #28
Great post bdamomma Jun 2019 #32
I'm really afraid bdamomma Jun 2019 #31
1999 Senate acquitted Clinton, in 2000 Republicans won Presidency & House, in 2002 they won Senate Dorn Jun 2019 #9
butbutbubububbb...The Senate won't convict! moonseller66 Jun 2019 #10
The M$M is not our friend, watoos Jun 2019 #14
Impeachment bdamomma Jun 2019 #33
There is a lot of bs going on about watoos Jun 2019 #11
"...impeachment inquiries should begin." dchill Jun 2019 #13
I'm not understanding the political calculations here Proud Liberal Dem Jun 2019 #25
K & R the O.P. and Duppers Jun 2019 #34
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