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EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)
Tue Jun 11, 2019, 11:04 AM Jun 2019

An impeachment inquiry ISN'T the only way for the House to get secret grand jury material, after all [View all]

It’s been practically a mantra on DU, in the media, and elsewhere that Democrats MUST start impeachment because that's supposedly the only way for the House to obtain grand jury material.

Well, today, the House is scheduled to vote to authorize the Judiciary Committee Chairman to petition the court to obtain grand jury materials, on the basis that the Judiciary Committee is conducting hearings that are “preliminary” to a judicial proceeding and, therefore, a judge can disclose grand jury materials to them for this purpose. They actually quote the rule’s language in the bill to justify their request to obtain the materials even though an impeachment inquiry hasn’t been opened. https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/BILLS-116hres430ih/xml/BILLS-116hres430ih.xml

This is exactly the basis described by a DUer who’s tried to push back on the “impeachment’s the only way” fallacy, only to be met with uniformed arguments, hostility, alerts, attacks on her expertise, credibility, motives and even the length of time she’s been on DU.

It’s nice to see her (and others of us who read the law the same way - as it’s written) proven correct, by no less than Chairman Nadler, the Judiciary Committee and the House.

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This is what Jill Wine-Banks has been saying wryter2000 Jun 2019 #1
This Was Always An Option Me. Jun 2019 #2
Rachel Maddow jumped on this bandwagon for a couple of days, but then jumped off when knowledgeable EffieBlack Jun 2019 #3
... StarfishSaver Jun 2019 #4
Thank you stopdiggin Jun 2019 #5
Don't confuse them with facts Trumpocalypse Jun 2019 #6
This was discussed months ago watoos Jun 2019 #7
They can appeal whether it's an impeachment or not StarfishSaver Jun 2019 #8
Listening to dozens of Constitutional scholars, watoos Jun 2019 #10
This is not a constitutional issue - it's a matter of statutory interpretation StarfishSaver Jun 2019 #13
See my link below, watoos Jun 2019 #14
Please read Effie's response StarfishSaver Jun 2019 #16
Sigh ... EffieBlack Jun 2019 #17
All we can do is try. StarfishSaver Jun 2019 #20
Of course Barr himself said he would release Nuggets Jun 2019 #27
Barr doesn't have the power to release the material without a court order StarfishSaver Jun 2019 #31
How do you know the "best" way to get this is through an impeachment hearing? EffieBlack Jun 2019 #9
There is a difference between a watoos Jun 2019 #12
Please stop arguing, You don't know the law and don't understand the process EffieBlack Jun 2019 #15
Thank you. brer cat Jun 2019 #11
KR mcar Jun 2019 #18
The House just passed the bill StarfishSaver Jun 2019 #19
They have to actually GET them before this is evidence that impeachment wasn't the only way FBaggins Jun 2019 #21
Impeachment only gives them the right to ask. It doesn't guarantee them anything StarfishSaver Jun 2019 #22
You're assuming that EffieBlack's post is accurate FBaggins Jun 2019 #23
The resolution doesn't need to explicitly "establish that the hearings going forward are preliminary StarfishSaver Jun 2019 #24
My OP IS accurate EffieBlack Jun 2019 #25
I do too. Never mind. You can please some of the people all of the time, but not all of the peeps emmaverybo Jun 2019 #30
Thanks, emmaverybo StarfishSaver Jun 2019 #32
No one's saying it's the only way BeyondGeography Jun 2019 #26
A whole lot of people both in the media and on DU are saying it's the only way. StarfishSaver Jun 2019 #29
Thank you for all your work to explain to us how and why impeachment is not the only way emmaverybo Jun 2019 #28
Thanks for this EffieBlack Jun 2019 #33
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