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Response to watoos (Reply #12)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 12:59 PM

15. Please stop arguing, You don't know the law and don't understand the process

And citing this blog only further proves how little you understand what’s going on here.

The blog you cited and the case it refers to correctly explain there’s a difference between Congress’ regular legislative or oversight activity and the proceedings described in Rule 6e that allow a court to release grand jury materials “preliminarily to or in connection with judicial proceedings.” The courts have ruled that regular oversight hearings aren’t preliminary to or actual judicial proceedings and, therefore, don’t qualify as exceptions to the grand jury secrecy rule.

BUT Chairman Nadler and the authorization the House is voting on today make clear that these Judiciary Committee hearings on the Mueller Report aren’t oversight hearings, but are preliminary to judicial proceedings - whether impeachment or other judicial activity. That means they aren’t to be treated the way courts have treated regular oversight hearings in the past when considering whether to release grand jury information. They are to be treated the same way as impeachment hearings for the purpose of this statute.

You’re incorrect that Nadler has to show the information is needed for “judicial purposes.” He has to show that he’s requesting them for use “preliminarily to or in connection with a judicial proceeding.” Because the Committee has established and the House will establish in the bill it passes this afternoon that these hearings are “preliminary to” judicial proceedings (including possible impeachment consideration) he will easily meet this burden (especially since courts give Congress great deference when defining their own purposes).

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