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StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
6. It's more complicated than that
Sun Jun 16, 2019, 07:24 PM
Jun 2019

If you read the full paragraph, you'll see the Mueller team didn't pull their definition of "conspiracy" out of thin air; it is, along with coordination, an essential element of proving conspiracy.

"In evaluating whether evidence about collective action of multiple individuals constituted a crime, we applied the framework of conspiracy law, not the concept of "collusion." In so doing, The Office recognized that the word "collud[ e]" was used in communications with the Acting Attorney General confirming certain aspects of the investigation's scope and that the term has frequently been invoked in public reporting about the investigation. But collusion is not a specific offense or theory of liability found in the United States Code, nor is it a term of art in federal criminal law.

For those reasons, the Office's focus in analyzing questions of joint criminal liability was on conspiracy as defined in federal law. In connection with that analysis, we addressed the factual question whether members of the Trump Campaign "coordinat[ ed]"-a term that appears in the appointment order-with Russian election interference activities. Like collusion, "coordination" does not have a settled definition in federal criminal law. We understood coordination to require an agreement tacit or express- between the Trump Campaign and the Russian government on election interference. That requires more than the two parties taking actions that were informed by or responsive to the other's actions or interests. We applied the term coordination in that sense when stating in the report that the investigation did not establish that the Trump Campaign coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities."


Mueller spent a lot of time contorting his findings regarding Russia to let Hoyt Jun 2019 #1
Tend to agree except I still think Mueller needs to go before congress, publicly. triron Jun 2019 #3
Maybe. But Mueller has had plenty of opportunity to speak up, and he hasn't. Hoyt Jun 2019 #4
Conspiracy: elleng Jun 2019 #2
Please see #7 below. nt Atticus Jun 2019 #8
They don't look at dictionaries ilmare2000 Jun 2019 #5
It's more complicated than that StarfishSaver Jun 2019 #6
My post did not mention "conspiracy". It dealt solely with how the Mueller Report Atticus Jun 2019 #7
Your post didn't mention conspiracy, but the portion you selectively quoted from did StarfishSaver Jun 2019 #9
This could go on forever if you keep moving the goalposts. Here I thought I could decide Atticus Jun 2019 #10
Of course, you can decide what your OP is about. But if you post incomplete or misleading info, StarfishSaver Jun 2019 #11
But there isn't a law against coordination or collusion. There is a conspiracy law, and that law pnwmom Jun 2019 #12
Agree with your entire post. But, that was not the subject of my post. Atticus Jun 2019 #13
I'm not sure that even if he had accepted your definition, that it could have changed the outcome. pnwmom Jun 2019 #14
All that is clear from the report is that in some way, Mueller's finding "no coordination" Atticus Jun 2019 #15
Mueller was using the term "coordination" to mean an agreement, and the agreement pnwmom Jun 2019 #16
If coordination and agreement were synonyms, that would make sense. nt Atticus Jun 2019 #17
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