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Ms. Toad

(33,915 posts)
89. I'm not defensive at all.
Mon Jun 24, 2019, 12:48 PM
Jun 2019

You accused me of doing something that had not even crossed my mind. I challenge ideas, I don't attack people. And, as I have said, the idea is not smart.

Your plan assumes that gerrymandered districts only impacts representation at the federal level; it doesn't. There are also gerrymandered districts within states. Refusal to disclose citizenship will tell the Republican lawmakers (who are already in charge of redistricting because of the last gerrymandered districts) precisely where the republican voters are - using answering that quesiton as a stand-in for republican. That allows them to better gerrymander those districts to ensure the Republicans remain in control. Once a district is gerrymandeed to permit Republicans will win, voter turnout matters far less because the district boundaries are drawn precisely to give a majority Republican vote in as many districts as can be rigged.

Denying them the data will not foil their plan - they will treat non-answers as non-citizens. And we will be stuck with that data - and the damage it does - for the next decade.

As for whether refusing to answer would impacts both the state and the federal level by impacting the number of seats assigned - that question remains open. In its last review of the matter, the Supreme Court expressly declined to answer the question of whether states could choose to draw (Federal House of Representative) district lines based solely on the voter-eligible population. Gerrymandering has at least as much, if not more, impact on representation in Congress than does apportionment.

Terrible idea zaj Jun 2019 #1
Actually, districts are based on population, not citizenship. OrwellwasRight Jun 2019 #7
+1 sandensea Jun 2019 #23
Thanks! OrwellwasRight Jun 2019 #27
This message was self-deleted by its author OrwellwasRight Jun 2019 #26
But it could affect funding ripcord Jun 2019 #85
Given that there has been no citizenship question on the census for 70 years, OrwellwasRight Jun 2019 #88
I think this is a good idea struggle4progress Jun 2019 #2
Thanks! OrwellwasRight Jun 2019 #28
While we are at it, we could boycott the race question too. Sneederbunk Jun 2019 #3
Actually that's probably a better idea, mass refusal to answer that particular question. OnDoutside Jun 2019 #4
Actually data on race OrwellwasRight Jun 2019 #8
i may forget to answer the citizenship ? but Im choosing 'hispanic' as race.. samnsara Jun 2019 #77
I guess I am among few around here that have a problem with people being in this country beachbum bob Jun 2019 #5
Yep, I think of that too. n/t RKP5637 Jun 2019 #6
Right, but the citizenship question OrwellwasRight Jun 2019 #9
Count me as one who agrees with you customerserviceguy Jun 2019 #10
Of course it does JustAnotherGen Jun 2019 #14
I'm with you on this.. nt Raine Jun 2019 #17
Your friends have citizenship and the "illegals" you are so worried about do not. ExciteBike66 Jun 2019 #53
The problem is the citizenship question Takket Jun 2019 #54
This census question does not address that in any way Mariana Jun 2019 #60
Tell that to the transgender folks... a la izquierda Jun 2019 #75
Why didn't we all simply not elect a moron? jberryhill Jun 2019 #11
Actually, that's not the case. OrwellwasRight Jun 2019 #12
both my state senators are D ( and women!) samnsara Jun 2019 #78
They'll knock on the door FBaggins Jun 2019 #13
They may knock OrwellwasRight Jun 2019 #24
Yeah, my father refused to answer anything except to say Mariana Jun 2019 #36
Doesn't the government already know who is a citizen? MichMan Jun 2019 #52
Not necessarily. Mariana Jun 2019 #57
Nothing. While some of the Census surveys are mandatory... TreasonousBastard Jun 2019 #15
+1 OrwellwasRight Jun 2019 #25
I had already planned on it JustAnotherGen Jun 2019 #16
Kudos to you. dixiegrrrrl Jun 2019 #18
Really? You are happy not to be counted? PoindexterOglethorpe Jun 2019 #30
We have already discovered the Repubs want that question for nefarious purposes. dixiegrrrrl Jun 2019 #41
If you don't answer it, you might be counted as a non citizen. Which feeds much more PoindexterOglethorpe Jun 2019 #43
No, if you don't answer the question, they don't know if you are a citizen or not. OrwellwasRight Jun 2019 #46
"Really? You are happy not to be counted?" dixiegrrrrl Jun 2019 #65
Really think about it, blank on the citizenship question and white on race, everybody Captain Zero Jun 2019 #33
We have about a 45 black/ 50% white race split where I live. dixiegrrrrl Jun 2019 #37
Sorry to disappoint you. former9thward Jun 2019 #21
Not disappointed JustAnotherGen Jun 2019 #49
Good luck on your election! former9thward Jun 2019 #50
Thank you JustAnotherGen Jun 2019 #58
Right on. OrwellwasRight Jun 2019 #29
People turm im incomplete census forms all the time Norbert Jun 2019 #56
It really isn't an offense JustAnotherGen Jun 2019 #59
I have no intention of answering that question, even though I am a citizen Tanuki Jun 2019 #19
Ditto! OrwellwasRight Jun 2019 #22
Makes sense to me mcar Jun 2019 #20
I worked for the census in 2010. PoindexterOglethorpe Jun 2019 #31
I have always filled out the census. OrwellwasRight Jun 2019 #34
I said early on I would refuse to answer the question susanr516 Jun 2019 #32
Exactly. OrwellwasRight Jun 2019 #35
I wish...there really are too many who don't understand why they should boycott live love laugh Jun 2019 #38
nose, spite, face Ms. Toad Jun 2019 #40
The counting of citizens or non-citizens has never been a factor in redistricting. live love laugh Jun 2019 #42
You're not paying attention to current political intelligence - Ms. Toad Jun 2019 #61
That's not how the census works. It counts population, not citizens. OrwellwasRight Jun 2019 #45
That is not how it has worked in the past. Ms. Toad Jun 2019 #62
Actually, districts based on population is exactly how it has worked in the past. OrwellwasRight Jun 2019 #67
That was a fairly obvious typo in my caption. Ms. Toad Jun 2019 #74
Yes, I'm shocked at the number of DUers OrwellwasRight Jun 2019 #47
The millions of people are likely to be Democrats Ms. Toad Jun 2019 #39
That's not how the census works. OrwellwasRight Jun 2019 #44
The repubican scheme is not only to depress cooperation - Ms. Toad Jun 2019 #63
A) They can't draw citizen-only voting districts OrwellwasRight Jun 2019 #66
If you don't answer the question, Ms. Toad Jun 2019 #73
You still don't get it. OrwellwasRight Jun 2019 #83
The suggestion that the majority of the country would refuse to answer a census question Ms. Toad Jun 2019 #90
See also OrwellwasRight Jun 2019 #48
No... OrwellwasRight Jun 2019 #71
So if the Republicans succeed in their plan Ms. Toad Jun 2019 #72
Yes, that is their goal. OrwellwasRight Jun 2019 #84
I'm not defensive at all. Ms. Toad Jun 2019 #89
I posted this question awhile back. Heard Thom Hartman rainy Jun 2019 #51
That's good, but where's the call? OrwellwasRight Jun 2019 #69
Everyone should just participate and they can either leave that question blank Pachamama Jun 2019 #55
Could be. OrwellwasRight Jun 2019 #70
Imagine majority of people all just refuse to answer the question..... Pachamama Jun 2019 #80
If the majority of all people didn't answer, OrwellwasRight Jun 2019 #81
I guess the civil disobedience would likely come from people who are not Trump supporters.... Pachamama Jun 2019 #86
Whether they got accurate data on that question or not would not invalidate the census. OrwellwasRight Jun 2019 #87
You don't understand edhopper Jun 2019 #64
O.M.G. OrwellwasRight Jun 2019 #68
I agree with you edhopper Jun 2019 #79
And they would be more likely to fill it out OrwellwasRight Jun 2019 #82
i plan on answering that i am hispanic samnsara Jun 2019 #76
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