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218. I'm not AOC so I will not speak for her

Mon Jul 8, 2019, 10:57 AM

Jul 2019

But, while essentially true, *I* would take it as being dismissive and probably be a bit irritated with such a statement.

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Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez Unleashes on Nancy Pelosi [View all] left-of-center2012 Jul 2019 OP

I thought she had grown into her office. DURHAM D Jul 2019 #1

Much to do about nothing Farmer-Rick Jul 2019 #33

you're right, aidbo Jul 2019 #94

They rarely do, GeorgeGist Jul 2019 #123

Many others are observing the same thing... NurseJackie Jul 2019 #159

Indeed. (nt) ehrnst Jul 2019 #167

AOC comes off quite childish here mcar Jul 2019 #2

I'm afraid AOC is overplaying her hand and the Republicans love it. dem4decades Jul 2019 #3

AOC is right -nt Bradical79 Jul 2019 #4

People seem to be forgetting Mueller is testifying on the 17th. brush Jul 2019 #37

agreed... myohmy2 Jul 2019 #89

Because if there is no bargain there is no Legislation bottomofthehill Jul 2019 #130

Nancy's... myohmy2 Jul 2019 #145

+1 shanny Jul 2019 #153

What "excuses" are you referring to? (tn) ehrnst Jul 2019 #182

Crickets.... ehrnst Jul 2019 #289

nah... myohmy2 Jul 2019 #293

Because of course you did. ehrnst Jul 2019 #294

Yep, AOC would have had the same options. Perhaps fewer because Nancy is far more experienced. (nt) ehrnst Jul 2019 #183

Good for her. nt Autumn Jul 2019 #5

Bad for her. Even if she has well-founded disagreements with Pelosi (which she doesn't).... George II Jul 2019 #36

I doubt it George. You should ask her if her office is open yet. nt Autumn Jul 2019 #40

Deflection again, I see. Why don't YOU ask her? George II Jul 2019 #41

Deflection? I said I doubted it in response to your it "will hurt her career in Congress" Autumn Jul 2019 #52

So why mention the off-topic idea of her office, is that relevant to her lashing out against Pelosi? George II Jul 2019 #55

So why accuse me of deflection when I answered your comment? Autumn Jul 2019 #57

No you didn't. Why not start a new thread about her District office and we can discuss it there? George II Jul 2019 #60

Because I don't have to start a thread on it , and yes I did. Autumn Jul 2019 #74

You RESPONDED to me with that. An "answer" is in response to a question.... George II Jul 2019 #78

Perhaps you missed this part from my post Autumn Jul 2019 #88

No I didn't. That was days ago in a totally different discussion, irrelevant to the discussion here. George II Jul 2019 #90

I never said it was in this discussion George. I said the last time YOU and I spoke about AOC Autumn Jul 2019 #92

I see no where in George's posts to you in... THIS thread sheshe2 Jul 2019 #79

Agree..and unfortunately I think she will continue to behave badly Thekaspervote Jul 2019 #47

I think AOC is right. Nothing will change if we maintain the status quo. CentralMass Jul 2019 #6

No. Most of the new members are moderate question everything Jul 2019 #7

I dont choose purity, i choose people who stand up for what is right. CentralMass Jul 2019 #11

Sounds like purity to me. Trumpocalypse Jul 2019 #17

It is choice. CentralMass Jul 2019 #20

Yes it is a choice Trumpocalypse Jul 2019 #122

An attitude of compromise has not left the middle and poor classes or the country in a healthy state CentralMass Jul 2019 #125

Actually it has over the years Trumpocalypse Jul 2019 #127

This message was self-deleted by its author CentralMass Jul 2019 #146

+1000. ehrnst Jul 2019 #185

It does. She never wants to compromise, not a good team player, which doesn't get anything done Thekaspervote Jul 2019 #50

The term "purity" can be tossed around to mean different things. LiberalLovinLug Jul 2019 #85

The term "Status Quo" can be tossed around too Trumpocalypse Jul 2019 #121

"Status Quo" is just that. It is not "tossed around" by either side. LiberalLovinLug Jul 2019 #246

Yes it is tossed around Trumpocalypse Jul 2019 #250

So its a "mistake" to push for what other democracies enjoy? LiberalLovinLug Jul 2019 #253

The purity left lost us elections Trumpocalypse Jul 2019 #255

Because its they that have to do the compromising every time right? LiberalLovinLug Jul 2019 #258

The problem with the all or nothing approach Trumpocalypse Jul 2019 #259

that may be true. but it's more like crumbs. LiberalLovinLug Jul 2019 #274

Crumbs is a purity response Trumpocalypse Jul 2019 #279

Yes, based on the myth that there was a whole loaf being offered, but someone chose 'crumbs' instead ehrnst Jul 2019 #290

What is the "status quo....Republican or Democratic" that you say people hate? ehrnst Jul 2019 #292

I will describe "purity" from what I observed when I lived in California in the 90s question everything Jul 2019 #126

The compromise is apparently to always get sucked to the right. Ace Rothstein Jul 2019 #164

We certainly didn't win anything getting "sucked to the left" back when Ted Kennedy ehrnst Jul 2019 #180

Well said nt Trumpocalypse Jul 2019 #206

When you are on the left Trumpocalypse Jul 2019 #204

I know right? (nt) ehrnst Jul 2019 #243

That is what happens when you only have one branch of government. Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #266

No, it has been happening for 30+ years. Ace Rothstein Jul 2019 #267

We have not had congress for years in a meaningful way... clinton lost the house, Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #280

So, what do you think about her vote against reopening the government earlier this year.... George II Jul 2019 #34

And how have they accumulated so much debt? question everything Jul 2019 #124

First of all its non of your damn business and secondly there are CentralMass Jul 2019 #152

My son, for one eilen Jul 2019 #165

+1 BannonsLiver Jul 2019 #232

I have a vision too. But we expect more from elected officials than twitter wars. (nt) ehrnst Jul 2019 #173

I'm tired of hearing 'purity,' from anyone, anywhere. It means nothing. pangaia Jul 2019 #39

Please give us your definition of "status quo". Thanks. George II Jul 2019 #42

Agree 100% Catch2.2 Jul 2019 #56

No one who uses the term "status quo" ever seems to be able to define it. (nt) ehrnst Jul 2019 #168

Oh sure...I mean what is a few dirty hungry sick kids and all we should hold to our principles Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #265

Crickets once again on a defintion of "status quo." ehrnst Jul 2019 #271

AOC's bloated ego is showing again. RelativelyJones Jul 2019 #8

What has she done so far? redstateblues Jul 2019 #72

Indeed! There are, but mostly were freshman congress people that want to blow things up Thekaspervote Jul 2019 #77

Where is Alan Grayson now? How did his congressional career pan out? (nt) ehrnst Jul 2019 #177

I totally agree with AOC. NRaleighLiberal Jul 2019 #9

I have to say, I do also..in so far as I am glad some of the newcomers are taking pangaia Jul 2019 #54

(and I am a kinda old guy!) NRaleighLiberal Jul 2019 #96

Me 2 pangaia Jul 2019 #109

Me too!! Catch2.2 Jul 2019 #59

Let's blow another one for the Gipper. IADEMO2004 Jul 2019 #10

Leadership out of touch for sure. Time to retire these Laura PourMeADrink Jul 2019 #12

AOC...1/4...AKA The Squad Me. Jul 2019 #13

Post removed Post removed Jul 2019 #28

NO, she's not attacking "WOC", she's criticizing members of her caucus. Does the fact that they're.. George II Jul 2019 #32

Oh PLease Me. Jul 2019 #80

Oh for sweet Jeebus sake mcar Jul 2019 #116

Do you watch FoxNews? That sounds like "a hot take" that they would come up with. (nt) ehrnst Jul 2019 #175

AOC is 100% right melman Jul 2019 #14

Yes she is! Catch2.2 Jul 2019 #61

No she isn't. George II Jul 2019 #67

Please explain how she is 100% right. sheshe2 Jul 2019 #100

crickets sheshe2 Jul 2019 #138

What's the point of this? melman Jul 2019 #150

She got upset and took to twitter and complained because Pelosi told the truth ehrnst Jul 2019 #205

The internet... Apple Fritter Jul 2019 #256

"Whatevering" gets under Trump's skin. ehrnst Jul 2019 #257

Comparing AOC with trump is silly. Apple Fritter Jul 2019 #261

You're confused- I compared her reaction to Pelosi with Trump's reaction to Pelosi being dismissive. ehrnst Jul 2019 #264

I'll clarify or at least I'll try. Apple Fritter Jul 2019 #269

"because that's the narrative you want to believe." ehrnst Jul 2019 #281

+1 emmaverybo Jul 2019 #278

No, she's not. ehrnst Jul 2019 #176

AOC is correct enough here ... There's no bargaining with child abusers uponit7771 Jul 2019 #228

No, she's ignoring the actual choices that were there. ehrnst Jul 2019 #238

There are no choices when bargaining with child abusers uponit7771 Jul 2019 #254

Yes she is melman Jul 2019 #233

Nope. Not at all. ehrnst Jul 2019 #239

Nobody is always right, especially a newcomer who makes her points quickly and loudly. Chemisse Jul 2019 #305

I didn't say she was melman Jul 2019 #306

AOC is correct, but she could be more diplomatic in her responses ProudLib72 Jul 2019 #15

I give AOC kudos for answering Pelosi in kind. nt Autumn Jul 2019 #45

Did Pelosi start a pointless Twitter war? ehrnst Jul 2019 #186

she is the tip of the spear. she is the bad cop. mopinko Jul 2019 #16

But she's not "willing to take the lighting bolts" ehrnst Jul 2019 #172

Well said. MuseRider Jul 2019 #18

I like AOC but she needs to learn to pick her battles Trumpocalypse Jul 2019 #19

I agree PatSeg Jul 2019 #25

Both women are wrong. Our party might consider the "Reagan" rule every so often. Vinca Jul 2019 #21

Oh Good! Let's Fight Among Ourselves! MineralMan Jul 2019 #22

I agree Gothmog Jul 2019 #27

Yes you need it. Skin is getting thinner. LakeArenal Jul 2019 #43

Never makes sense how the AOC types never want to fight treestar Jul 2019 #291

Indeed. (nt) ehrnst Jul 2019 #301

Oh bother. hunter Jul 2019 #23

AOC is a bit full of herself right here eilen Jul 2019 #24

I know AOC has a fan-base here, & sometimes she is brilliant, as when she went to the border.... Hekate Jul 2019 #49

I am not her constituent eilen Jul 2019 #68

Bravo. NT emmaverybo Jul 2019 #53

I support Speaker Pelosi Gothmog Jul 2019 #26

Exactly. Her constituency is not me. LakeArenal Jul 2019 #46

The Democratic Party is lucky to have a leader like Speaker Pelosi Gothmog Jul 2019 #111

Yes. Our older leaders not only know what they are doing... LakeArenal Jul 2019 #114

Ditto. (nt) ehrnst Jul 2019 #179

+1 mcar Jul 2019 #216

That's not going to advance her political career. People in the 14th are already losing patience.... George II Jul 2019 #29

"People in the 14th are already losing patience with her" melman Jul 2019 #64

Google it. George II Jul 2019 #66

I did melman Jul 2019 #73

What did you find? George II Jul 2019 #134

google it melman Jul 2019 #135

. George II Jul 2019 #141

AOC is not running on DU NYMinute Jul 2019 #214

Or even running anywhere else in the U.S. For the time being. ehrnst Jul 2019 #241

So did I. ehrnst Jul 2019 #169

Well whaddaya know! George II Jul 2019 #171

Where does that say anything about "people in the 14th losing patience with her" melman Jul 2019 #230

These are voters in the state of NY... and they mirror Pelosi and Schumer's ratings in NY ehrnst Jul 2019 #236

She is not there to advance her career. She is fighting for people. vsrazdem Jul 2019 #95

You mean Pelosi? Pelosi doesn't have any aspirations to higher office. ehrnst Jul 2019 #240

Guess some are still pissed about losing those Amazon jobs. brush Jul 2019 #131

That's part of it, but there are other things too, for example: George II Jul 2019 #132

Post removed Post removed Jul 2019 #30

Just curious, but is your Montana congressman as liberal as Nancy? Has he or she been fighting... Hekate Jul 2019 #63

Pelosi is elected by the full membership of the House. 220 Democrats voted for her as Speaker.... George II Jul 2019 #70

As MoDo Said Me. Jul 2019 #83

As a boomer LittleGirl Jul 2019 #31

Well said. Same here. NRaleighLiberal Jul 2019 #97

My sentiments exactly... HopeAgain Jul 2019 #155

Since when has the Speaker of the House's job been to answer to anyone other than Congress? ehrnst Jul 2019 #174

In this case, she was condensending so it points right back to her. eom LittleGirl Jul 2019 #188

Goalposts moved, I see... ehrnst Jul 2019 #192

agree G_j Jul 2019 #226

Change is always coming BannonsLiver Jul 2019 #234

I don't agree with AOC JohnnyRingo Jul 2019 #35

+1000 emmaverybo Jul 2019 #51

This message was self-deleted by its author LovingA2andMI Jul 2019 #38

Buffey Sainte-Marie says it in her song, patphil Jul 2019 #44

Actually... sheshe2 Jul 2019 #105

Yes, she is one vote, patphil Jul 2019 #133

I am sorry. sheshe2 Jul 2019 #273

This message was self-deleted by its author ehrnst Jul 2019 #283

You certainly have a dim view of Democrats, and Madame Speaker Pelosi in particular. ehrnst Jul 2019 #285

Bazinga! George II Jul 2019 #288

You haven't been listening, if you think that Dems and Republicans are 'pretty much the same" ehrnst Jul 2019 #286

Everyone who has ever become powerful has to defer a bit to power first, and learn the ropes. emmaverybo Jul 2019 #48

Mediate's pro-GOP bias: "She's saying the old, establishment Democrats don't know...Democrat base" SunSeeker Jul 2019 #58

"Slam?" You would think that someone who stated that she had "zero fucks to give" ehrnst Jul 2019 #295

Pelosi is not looking out for us budkin Jul 2019 #62

Pelosi is doing the exact right thing. Thekaspervote Jul 2019 #71

No, we absolutely can impeach him, we have the majority in the House. SunSeeker Jul 2019 #147

This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Jul 2019 #191

Pelosi's 100% right and I will take her judgement over AOC's any day. RelativelyJones Jul 2019 #65

Agreed. NurseJackie Jul 2019 #227

Look forward to watching Nancy kneecap AOC Loki Liesmith Jul 2019 #69

She won't kneecap her EffieBlack Jul 2019 #76

Snap. sheshe2 Jul 2019 #275

I like what her daughter said: She'll "cut your head off and you won't even know you're bleeding"! George II Jul 2019 #136

Pelosi has no need or wish to "kneecap" AOC. AOC is no threat to Pelosi. ehrnst Jul 2019 #187

A stepping stone. sheshe2 Jul 2019 #276

Hasn't she had her 15 minutes yet? DavidDvorkin Jul 2019 #75

I'm with AOC on this. I await the flames. Crunchy Frog Jul 2019 #81

The old guard/new guard tensions have been simmering for months True Dough Jul 2019 #82

I prefer the way Katie Hill, Jahana Hayes, and Sharice Davids, among others, operate. George II Jul 2019 #86

Well Said Me. Jul 2019 #103

But are people interested to know what brand of lipstick they wear? ehrnst Jul 2019 #170

Yep mcar Jul 2019 #217

Yes. Turbineguy Jul 2019 #84

The more AOC opens her mouth chillfactor Jul 2019 #87

The DSA states that their mission is to "re-build the Democratic Party from scratch" ehrnst Jul 2019 #242

Certainly some interesting debate on this thread. PatrickforO Jul 2019 #91

Pelosi and AOC Peace06 Jul 2019 #93

Not that 'bothsiderism'. AOC would be more constructive if she would empedocles Jul 2019 #112

Well stated. NRaleighLiberal Jul 2019 #98

How far have we fallen to make standing against concentration camps a purity test? Lancero Jul 2019 #99

There's no "fall" here but what the fuck USA Right Wing and Russian mobsters trolls make of it. hunter Jul 2019 #101

What Has AOC Accomplished ? Horizens Jul 2019 #102

Correct! But she could get some things done if she were to channel all that energy Thekaspervote Jul 2019 #104

She channels it into celebrity-boosting activities. (nt) ehrnst Jul 2019 #189

Post removed Post removed Jul 2019 #106

So EveryThing AOC Demanded Or Nothing? Me. Jul 2019 #108

Not at all DeminPennswoods Jul 2019 #129

She Didn't Tell/ Doesn't Tell Them How To Vote Me. Jul 2019 #139

does this all sound like some kind of setup? Skittles Jul 2019 #107

Just what the Dems need to help beat trump - right? empedocles Jul 2019 #110

I have been critical of AOC but I am not seeing where anything she has said is inaccurate tymorial Jul 2019 #113

The problem is the number of social media followers doesn't equate to votes. brush Jul 2019 #128

"Well, that's enough coverage of Hitler and the Nazis! Now let's talk about how policy differences struggle4progress Jul 2019 #115

Good one. betsuni Jul 2019 #118

Tweet in haste, repent at leisure. betsuni Jul 2019 #117

For a freshmen congresswoman, she definitely has some courage. YOHABLO Jul 2019 #119

Ah, courage. Is that what they're calling it these days? BannonsLiver Jul 2019 #244

I stand with speaker Pelosi. LibFarmer Jul 2019 #120

Love That Peacock Bit Me. Jul 2019 #140

LOL!! peggysue2 Jul 2019 #149

I'll go with the one that doesn't have aspirations to bigger things than doing her job now, ehrnst Jul 2019 #245

I know this will seem like an odd opinion but I think Pelosi welcomes these kinds of discussions Starry Messenger Jul 2019 #137

It's like a food-fight stillcool Jul 2019 #142

I stand with Speaker Pelosi LibFarmer Jul 2019 #143

Speaker pelosi is right NYMinute Jul 2019 #144

Now more than ever we need unity. jcmaine72 Jul 2019 #148

And meanwhile drumpf's approval rating increases. democratisphere Jul 2019 #151

No. It doesn't. shanny Jul 2019 #156

Apparently he hasn't hit the ceiling yet. democratisphere Jul 2019 #161

What do you mean by "Perhaps it is time to look in the mirror"? betsuni Jul 2019 #157

When we undermine our own how does that look to the opposition?! democratisphere Jul 2019 #162

You should ask the one deciding to take to twitter to complain about ehrnst Jul 2019 #198

Is this party hell bent to HopeAgain Jul 2019 #154

Push the party left how? betsuni Jul 2019 #158

The Democratic Party has always been most successful Trumpocalypse Jul 2019 #160

Go AOC! Tarc Jul 2019 #163

I'm ready for a new Speaker. Ace Rothstein Jul 2019 #166

That's up to congress. ehrnst Jul 2019 #178

I'm very well aware of how the Speaker is elected, doesn't mean I can't hope for a better Speaker. Ace Rothstein Jul 2019 #268

I just wanted to point out who it was up to, and who it wasn't up to. ehrnst Jul 2019 #270

This message was self-deleted by its author LovingA2andMI Jul 2019 #207

There is a reason she replaced an established Dem. 58Sunliner Jul 2019 #181

This is not the right way to go about it. awesomerwb1 Jul 2019 #184

Juggling the demands of big corporate donors while dealing with a maverick populist like AOC jalan48 Jul 2019 #190

Well, not all of congress can spend hours in twitter wars with FoxNews personalities, fact checkers ehrnst Jul 2019 #194

Change is difficult and messy no doubt. jalan48 Jul 2019 #195

Day long Twitter wars and speaking at SXSW are especially difficult, I guess.... ehrnst Jul 2019 #196

I don't do twitter so I can't say. jalan48 Jul 2019 #199

So what is the "difficult and messy" part about "change" ehrnst Jul 2019 #200

Messy has to do with competing interests. Take health care for example. The insurance industry has a jalan48 Jul 2019 #209

So AOC's job is easier than Pelosi's because Pelosi is in the pocket of donors, so Pelosi can't be ehrnst Jul 2019 #210

Not at all. We have a system where it takes a lot of money for most politicians to get elected. jalan48 Jul 2019 #219

So what is Pelosi's "Competing Interest" with ethics as a party fundraiser? ehrnst Jul 2019 #220

Certainly having a Big Hollywood agent isn't unethical either.... ehrnst Jul 2019 #229

Like the old adage goes, "Money talks, bullshit walks".... jalan48 Jul 2019 #235

Tell me, what does a Hollywood agent promise? ehrnst Jul 2019 #237

The talent agency deal apparently fell through for the stalwart representative for the 14th district lapucelle Jul 2019 #251

Things that make you go Hmmm. (nt) ehrnst Jul 2019 #284

What "demands of big donors" is Pelosi juggling? ehrnst Jul 2019 #215

Crickets.... ehrnst Jul 2019 #263

This message was self-deleted by its author jalan48 Jul 2019 #272

Quick! Send in Maureen Dowd to do a stupid column about AOC. Paladin Jul 2019 #193

The "Democrat base"? EleanorR Jul 2019 #197

She has the right and prerogative to speak her mind Proud Liberal Dem Jul 2019 #201

Pelosi stated that having a large twitter following doesn't give you more votes on the floor. ehrnst Jul 2019 #211

I'm not AOC so I will not speak for her Proud Liberal Dem Jul 2019 #218

One would think that a thicker skin might be beneficial to someone in congress ehrnst Jul 2019 #225

Considering how much she has been dragged by virtually everybody since her election Proud Liberal Dem Jul 2019 #247

Dragged? By whom? ehrnst Jul 2019 #248

"Dragged by virtually everyone"? She was on the cover of Time. N/T lapucelle Jul 2019 #252

Please tell us who is stopping her from speaking her mind... ehrnst Jul 2019 #260

"Burn?" Pelosi is right. Twitter followiers don't give one an additional vote. Too bad AOC took ehrnst Jul 2019 #202

This message was self-deleted by its author LovingA2andMI Jul 2019 #203

Why aren't we holding Trump accountable? He is blatantly breaking human rights for BeckyDem Jul 2019 #208

Thank you! (nt) ehrnst Jul 2019 #212

You're welcome! BeckyDem Jul 2019 #282

AOC and Nancy Pelosi represent two different wings of the MineralMan Jul 2019 #213

AOC represents the 14th district of NY. (nt) ehrnst Jul 2019 #221

Yes, she does. MineralMan Jul 2019 #222

Well, if one is more interested in celebrity, one might do what one's Hollywood agent ehrnst Jul 2019 #223

I can't speak to that, really. MineralMan Jul 2019 #224

More like impotent rage. BannonsLiver Jul 2019 #231

It certainly did get her some attention and people leaping to her defense... ehrnst Jul 2019 #249

I wish she would shut the fuck up. BigDemVoter Jul 2019 #262

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AOC talks big about "giving zero fucks" about what she thinks of Dems telling her not to make waves ehrnst Jul 2019 #296

I wish AOC was the Speaker NOW! ElementaryPenguin Jul 2019 #297

Democrats in congress choose the speaker, based on who they know ehrnst Jul 2019 #298

So is Nancy Pelosi's judgement beyond reproach now? ElementaryPenguin Jul 2019 #299

That was a pretty fierce attack on a straw man. ehrnst Jul 2019 #300

Pelosi has made a POLITICAL calculation... ElementaryPenguin Jul 2019 #302

You still haven't answered the question ehrnst Jul 2019 #303

Seems Kelly Ann played a lot of people in her musical production of the Major Meow Mashup LanternWaste Jul 2019 #304