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KPN

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106. I'm saying I believe there is greater risk in not doing so ... and not doing sooner than later.
Sun Jul 14, 2019, 05:51 PM
Jul 2019

I’m saying the Mueller Report itself is enough evidence to support impeachment.

Recommended. guillaumeb Jul 2019 #1
K&R ck4829 Jul 2019 #2
Silence is consent. Inaction is consent. dalton99a Jul 2019 #3
+1000 triron Jul 2019 #17
Yup! Magoo48 Jul 2019 #150
Wonderful post as usual Tom ... +1000 mr_lebowski Jul 2019 #4
As many here predicted, the normalization began immediately by most NRaleighLiberal Jul 2019 #5
Drama drives ratings, and the media must serve their masters who want to keep their tax cuts dalton99a Jul 2019 #10
+ infinity NRaleighLiberal Jul 2019 #18
There is no normalizing drumpf. drumpf has more personality disorders democratisphere Jul 2019 #6
They have been normalizing him for the last 3 years, so yes there has been a normalizing of him. Autumn Jul 2019 #12
Absolutely NRaleighLiberal Jul 2019 #19
Not according to one of the authors of one of Trump's books, watoos Jul 2019 #13
Normalizing doesn't mean "making mentally healthy". Caliman73 Jul 2019 #99
It isn't "normal" any way you spell it. democratisphere Jul 2019 #105
I agree 100%. All one has to do is read the Mueller report to draw this conclusion. There's KPN Jul 2019 #7
One thing for sure DownriverDem Jul 2019 #32
Not for sure. Opinion. Mine is we are KPN Jul 2019 #70
a one party impeachment produces stopdiggin Jul 2019 #58
If we want to actually win the election, we damned well better start KPN Jul 2019 #75
if your actions produce the result you wanted stopdiggin Jul 2019 #77
I'm saying I believe there is greater risk in not doing so ... and not doing sooner than later. KPN Jul 2019 #106
If he loses in 2020 he gets off and his crimes are not exposed for history. Autumn Jul 2019 #8
Know who agrees with you Tom? watoos Jul 2019 #9
"gives the impression that the president is above the law." TryLogic Jul 2019 #59
Maybe they will impeach him in year 7 of his second term.. Oregon1947 Jul 2019 #11
or in year 7 of his 4th term. watoos Jul 2019 #14
Or his 3rd term he always talks about having. Autumn Jul 2019 #16
He will have established a dictatorship for sure by then. Our republic will be gone for good. triron Jul 2019 #20
read my signature line handmade34 Jul 2019 #15
Right! kentuck Jul 2019 #21
Well. there are ways in which average voters do hold presidents accountable, but Tom Rinaldo Jul 2019 #22
"average voters" are also susceptible... kentuck Jul 2019 #24
Yes, and that is precisely why we elect Representatives from local districts to Congress Tom Rinaldo Jul 2019 #27
Absolutely. How many average voters have read the Mueller Report? TryLogic Jul 2019 #62
Not only, will Mueller even get to 'a testimony'? And what will be the result? sprinkleeninow Jul 2019 #74
We need to stop acting like we're living in anything remotely like normal times. Paladin Jul 2019 #23
I have to agree Moral Compass Jul 2019 #25
Excellent Post Tom Rinaldo Jul 2019 #30
yes - except I disagree about the "brilliant tactician" Locrian Jul 2019 #49
Agreed. Not moving towards at least an impeachment inquiry is implied consent. brush Jul 2019 #26
K&R Excellent posting. alwaysinasnit Jul 2019 #28
+1000 brutus smith Jul 2019 #29
Yup LiberalLovinLug Jul 2019 #66
Agree brutus smith Jul 2019 #89
Yes. Exactly. To the point. Huge K&R N/T Guilded Lilly Jul 2019 #31
You know the House has opened investigations, right? EleanorR Jul 2019 #33
Yes. Tom Rinaldo Jul 2019 #37
It would also put the whole sordid mess on the national & local news. And smack on the GOP. CrispyQ Jul 2019 #45
Here y'all go, what TR wrote: sprinkleeninow Jul 2019 #100
This is good. BUT, too much. Needs to be prioritized by urgency. TryLogic Jul 2019 #67
The wheels are turning. The system is doing what it is designed to do. cutroot Jul 2019 #72
The difference between Nixon & now is the Republican Party. CrispyQ Jul 2019 #157
But the OP wants their OompaLoompa now. BannonsLiver Jul 2019 #108
It's just easier to claim that they're doing nothing. TwilightZone Jul 2019 #126
Well said spike91nz Jul 2019 #34
Democrats Have An Age Problem At The Top DallasNE Jul 2019 #35
I think that's why we're seeing Beto and Buttigieg running this time around. Planning for the future jalan48 Jul 2019 #39
They're not winning so far. Honeycombe8 Jul 2019 #141
I think it's about future elections. They are getting face recognition this time around. jalan48 Jul 2019 #160
It's gonna be a loooooong while. Honeycombe8 Jul 2019 #161
Pelosi is not going to be replaced. Honeycombe8 Jul 2019 #142
As TYT's Cenk Uygur Would Say, "Of Course!" panfluteman Jul 2019 #36
This: CrispyQ Jul 2019 #47
Recommended. H2O Man Jul 2019 #38
This is a great thread Poiuyt Jul 2019 #40
this is true, as a party we are afraid of going medieval on their asses yaesu Jul 2019 #41
Agreed!! G_j Jul 2019 #42
I'm sure she's waiting to strike when the iron is hot! CrispyQ Jul 2019 #43
+1 n/t area51 Jul 2019 #46
Yes, you have cited serious problems/errors of/from the past. TryLogic Jul 2019 #71
Trump already has been normalized by inaction. Why is it that most the people on DU are shocked Doodley Jul 2019 #44
Democrats have had the House only 6 months EleanorR Jul 2019 #50
It isn't about having control of the house. It is about finding an effective way to Doodley Jul 2019 #55
Agreed. TwilightZone Jul 2019 #85
+1000 Nevermypresident Jul 2019 #48
Well, formally "acquitting" trump in Senate, and maybe even the House, sure won't help. eom Hoyt Jul 2019 #51
Exposing all his crimes prior to a vote will help. Bluepinky Jul 2019 #102
Dithering. gibraltar72 Jul 2019 #52
Well said, well written The Liberal Lion Jul 2019 #53
Going down fighting 90-percent Jul 2019 #54
I endorse this post Ponietz Jul 2019 #56
normalize? qazplm135 Jul 2019 #57
Bingo. TwilightZone Jul 2019 #129
K & R Nevermypresident Jul 2019 #60
I love this post so much I wish I could rec it twice Bettie Jul 2019 #61
I'd rather beat Trump in an election. GuyNamedNathan Jul 2019 #63
Agree 100% but think it's possible that Nancy may be delaying for impact. RVN VET71 Jul 2019 #64
Correct. That's the bottom line. dchill Jul 2019 #65
I have been on this earth for 57 years and have seen some constants rufus dog Jul 2019 #68
I'm with all you put forth, especially with what I pulled out---- sprinkleeninow Jul 2019 #69
Highly unlikely the Senate will convict Trump and remove him from office Martin Eden Jul 2019 #73
👍 sprinkleeninow Jul 2019 #93
Kick! gtar100 Jul 2019 #76
Can I clarify one thing with folks here? CaptainTruth Jul 2019 #78
Simple. He should face all of the legal consequences that his actions warrant Tom Rinaldo Jul 2019 #82
Again, this stands out-- sprinkleeninow Jul 2019 #96
Damn right thegoose Jul 2019 #79
When the Senate votes Trump to be Not Guilty Locutusofborg Jul 2019 #80
Politically more Republican Senators would risk losing seats for standing by Trump after impeachment Tom Rinaldo Jul 2019 #88
Haven't you noticed? Locutusofborg Jul 2019 #91
Deserting Trump would hurt Republican Senators in States that they could not otherwise lose Tom Rinaldo Jul 2019 #92
Not one mention of McConnell lame54 Jul 2019 #81
It's always the Democrats' fault. TwilightZone Jul 2019 #86
Good post, with many good responses. Recommended. c-rational Jul 2019 #83
THIS x100000 budkin Jul 2019 #84
Agree with you 100%. These are not normal times, and Trump is not a normal President. Bluepinky Jul 2019 #87
👍 sprinkleeninow Jul 2019 #94
This message was self-deleted by its author LovingA2andMI Jul 2019 #90
If you are afraid to impeach because you think you will lose the election because of it, world wide wally Jul 2019 #95
WE DON'T LET IT GET TO THE #@% SENATE! Ligyron Jul 2019 #97
So investigations only then? Locutusofborg Jul 2019 #113
Must go to the Senate when exactly? Ligyron Jul 2019 #116
One 'calculation', i.e., for/against, should outweigh the other. sprinkleeninow Jul 2019 #98
1. He already is normalized Cary Jul 2019 #101
,,, Different Drummer Jul 2019 #103
I agree. mnhtnbb Jul 2019 #104
Recommended democrank Jul 2019 #107
K & R SunSeeker Jul 2019 #109
DURec leftstreet Jul 2019 #110
Pelosi needs to read this Perseus Jul 2019 #111
We keep making Constitutional arguments as if the Constitution will stand up to what is happening. gulliver Jul 2019 #112
K&R +1,000,000!!!!!!!! diva77 Jul 2019 #114
Removal is not possible...thus it is a waste of time and money and could cost us the house...as Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #115
We may not be able to remove but we can impeach, which is not a waste of time. SunSeeker Jul 2019 #118
You can investigate and showcase Trump's crimes without turning off moderates in states Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #156
No we can't, as is evident. Why would an impeachment inquiry turn off moderates? SunSeeker Jul 2019 #159
Polls move as circumstances evolve. We all know that Tom Rinaldo Jul 2019 #119
If we lose the house and he wins again...it would be a disaster...too big a risk. If we could remove Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #155
Senate is not needed to hurt Red Don politically and follow constitution uponit7771 Jul 2019 #143
You won't hurt him...those you could reach in order to hurt him or already on our side...the others Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #153
without consequences, there are no laws Hermit-The-Prog Jul 2019 #117
Totally Agree colsohlibgal Jul 2019 #120
Here's a horrifying prospect... Snarkoleptic Jul 2019 #121
Unfortunately, our leadership is running out the clock, IMO. Grave mistake. Nevermypresident Jul 2019 #131
If we do not take the appropriate steps, every yellowdogintexas Jul 2019 #122
Not so. There's too much fault put on Democrats when the public has every right to allow its govt ancianita Jul 2019 #123
You may think otherwise, but this OP isn't about "blaming Democrats" Tom Rinaldo Jul 2019 #125
It's clearly about blaming Democrats. TwilightZone Jul 2019 #128
I say that the continued normalization of Trump has an easier path forward without impeachment Tom Rinaldo Jul 2019 #132
Spot on!! Thekaspervote Jul 2019 #147
Totally agree. To me, the words like "we" and "normalizing" make it problematic at this point. ancianita Jul 2019 #133
Yes, the public can speak out, and the public can vote, and the public should and has done both Tom Rinaldo Jul 2019 #135
There are so many ways to legitimately go after him, yes. BeckyDem Jul 2019 #124
It's what's called a double bind: Sogo Jul 2019 #127
True that it is not politically a clear cut no brainer Tom Rinaldo Jul 2019 #130
And what does the inevitable acquittal do to normalize Trump? (nt) Recursion Jul 2019 #134
It exposes a corrupt and fully complicit Republican Party in time for the 2020 elections. Tom Rinaldo Jul 2019 #136
They're already exposed. Everyone who's going to care cares. Recursion Jul 2019 #137
I am not as sure as you that everyone who's going to care cares. Tom Rinaldo Jul 2019 #138
Agree!! Thekaspervote Jul 2019 #148
Senate is not needed to hurt Red Don politically and follow constitution uponit7771 Jul 2019 #144
An acquittal helps Trump politically; it doesn't hurt him. (nt) Recursion Jul 2019 #149
I disagree, watoos Jul 2019 #152
Historically the party of the impeached has never fared well in elections post impeachment when .... uponit7771 Jul 2019 #154
A sensible woodchuck will be along shortly to scold you! Lucky Luciano Jul 2019 #139
Yes, yes, yes!! jimlup Jul 2019 #140
Trump is not the only one who swore an oath to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution. Marcuse Jul 2019 #145
K&R! Catch2.2 Jul 2019 #146
Agreed. Impeach the bastard clear to hell. VOX Jul 2019 #151
I've said it before and I'll say it again. WinstonSmith4740 Jul 2019 #158
It bears repeating n/t Tom Rinaldo Jul 2019 #162
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