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Snarkoleptic

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121. Here's a horrifying prospect...

Sun Jul 14, 2019, 09:10 PM

Jul 2019

What if we continue 'keeping our powder dry' for so long that impeachment is no longer an option.

R's are working hard to disenfranchise voters, and Putin (plus other state actors) are already hacking our psyche and election infrastructure.
So what if we wake up after the election to find Trump re-elected and R's control both houses of congress.
What then?

Full on fascism and the end of the republic.

Sorry, I'm in a dark mood over this stuff at the moment.

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I'll be blunt. Democrats help "normalize" Trump if we wait for an election to hold him accountable [View all] Tom Rinaldo Jul 2019 OP

Recommended. guillaumeb Jul 2019 #1

K&R ck4829 Jul 2019 #2

Silence is consent. Inaction is consent. dalton99a Jul 2019 #3

+1000 triron Jul 2019 #17

Yup! Magoo48 Jul 2019 #150

Wonderful post as usual Tom ... +1000 mr_lebowski Jul 2019 #4

As many here predicted, the normalization began immediately by most NRaleighLiberal Jul 2019 #5

Drama drives ratings, and the media must serve their masters who want to keep their tax cuts dalton99a Jul 2019 #10

+ infinity NRaleighLiberal Jul 2019 #18

There is no normalizing drumpf. drumpf has more personality disorders democratisphere Jul 2019 #6

They have been normalizing him for the last 3 years, so yes there has been a normalizing of him. Autumn Jul 2019 #12

Absolutely NRaleighLiberal Jul 2019 #19

Not according to one of the authors of one of Trump's books, watoos Jul 2019 #13

Normalizing doesn't mean "making mentally healthy". Caliman73 Jul 2019 #99

It isn't "normal" any way you spell it. democratisphere Jul 2019 #105

I agree 100%. All one has to do is read the Mueller report to draw this conclusion. There's KPN Jul 2019 #7

One thing for sure DownriverDem Jul 2019 #32

Not for sure. Opinion. Mine is we are KPN Jul 2019 #70

a one party impeachment produces stopdiggin Jul 2019 #58

If we want to actually win the election, we damned well better start KPN Jul 2019 #75

if your actions produce the result you wanted stopdiggin Jul 2019 #77

I'm saying I believe there is greater risk in not doing so ... and not doing sooner than later. KPN Jul 2019 #106

If he loses in 2020 he gets off and his crimes are not exposed for history. Autumn Jul 2019 #8

Know who agrees with you Tom? watoos Jul 2019 #9

"gives the impression that the president is above the law." TryLogic Jul 2019 #59

Maybe they will impeach him in year 7 of his second term.. Oregon1947 Jul 2019 #11

or in year 7 of his 4th term. watoos Jul 2019 #14

Or his 3rd term he always talks about having. Autumn Jul 2019 #16

He will have established a dictatorship for sure by then. Our republic will be gone for good. triron Jul 2019 #20

read my signature line handmade34 Jul 2019 #15

Right! kentuck Jul 2019 #21

Well. there are ways in which average voters do hold presidents accountable, but Tom Rinaldo Jul 2019 #22

"average voters" are also susceptible... kentuck Jul 2019 #24

Yes, and that is precisely why we elect Representatives from local districts to Congress Tom Rinaldo Jul 2019 #27

Absolutely. How many average voters have read the Mueller Report? TryLogic Jul 2019 #62

Not only, will Mueller even get to 'a testimony'? And what will be the result? sprinkleeninow Jul 2019 #74

We need to stop acting like we're living in anything remotely like normal times. Paladin Jul 2019 #23

I have to agree Moral Compass Jul 2019 #25

Excellent Post Tom Rinaldo Jul 2019 #30

yes - except I disagree about the "brilliant tactician" Locrian Jul 2019 #49

Agreed. Not moving towards at least an impeachment inquiry is implied consent. brush Jul 2019 #26

K&R Excellent posting. alwaysinasnit Jul 2019 #28

+1000 brutus smith Jul 2019 #29

Yup LiberalLovinLug Jul 2019 #66

Agree brutus smith Jul 2019 #89

Yes. Exactly. To the point. Huge K&R N/T Guilded Lilly Jul 2019 #31

You know the House has opened investigations, right? EleanorR Jul 2019 #33

Yes. Tom Rinaldo Jul 2019 #37

It would also put the whole sordid mess on the national & local news. And smack on the GOP. CrispyQ Jul 2019 #45

Here y'all go, what TR wrote: sprinkleeninow Jul 2019 #100

This is good. BUT, too much. Needs to be prioritized by urgency. TryLogic Jul 2019 #67

The wheels are turning. The system is doing what it is designed to do. cutroot Jul 2019 #72

The difference between Nixon & now is the Republican Party. CrispyQ Jul 2019 #157

But the OP wants their OompaLoompa now. BannonsLiver Jul 2019 #108

It's just easier to claim that they're doing nothing. TwilightZone Jul 2019 #126

Well said spike91nz Jul 2019 #34

Democrats Have An Age Problem At The Top DallasNE Jul 2019 #35

I think that's why we're seeing Beto and Buttigieg running this time around. Planning for the future jalan48 Jul 2019 #39

They're not winning so far. Honeycombe8 Jul 2019 #141

I think it's about future elections. They are getting face recognition this time around. jalan48 Jul 2019 #160

It's gonna be a loooooong while. Honeycombe8 Jul 2019 #161

Pelosi is not going to be replaced. Honeycombe8 Jul 2019 #142

As TYT's Cenk Uygur Would Say, "Of Course!" panfluteman Jul 2019 #36

This: CrispyQ Jul 2019 #47

Recommended. H2O Man Jul 2019 #38

This is a great thread Poiuyt Jul 2019 #40

this is true, as a party we are afraid of going medieval on their asses yaesu Jul 2019 #41

Agreed!! G_j Jul 2019 #42

I'm sure she's waiting to strike when the iron is hot! CrispyQ Jul 2019 #43

+1 n/t area51 Jul 2019 #46

Yes, you have cited serious problems/errors of/from the past. TryLogic Jul 2019 #71

Trump already has been normalized by inaction. Why is it that most the people on DU are shocked Doodley Jul 2019 #44

Democrats have had the House only 6 months EleanorR Jul 2019 #50

It isn't about having control of the house. It is about finding an effective way to Doodley Jul 2019 #55

Agreed. TwilightZone Jul 2019 #85

+1000 Nevermypresident Jul 2019 #48

Well, formally "acquitting" trump in Senate, and maybe even the House, sure won't help. eom Hoyt Jul 2019 #51

Exposing all his crimes prior to a vote will help. Bluepinky Jul 2019 #102

Dithering. gibraltar72 Jul 2019 #52

Well said, well written The Liberal Lion Jul 2019 #53

Going down fighting 90-percent Jul 2019 #54

I endorse this post Ponietz Jul 2019 #56

normalize? qazplm135 Jul 2019 #57

Bingo. TwilightZone Jul 2019 #129

K & R Nevermypresident Jul 2019 #60

I love this post so much I wish I could rec it twice Bettie Jul 2019 #61

I'd rather beat Trump in an election. GuyNamedNathan Jul 2019 #63

Agree 100% but think it's possible that Nancy may be delaying for impact. RVN VET71 Jul 2019 #64

Correct. That's the bottom line. dchill Jul 2019 #65

I have been on this earth for 57 years and have seen some constants rufus dog Jul 2019 #68

I'm with all you put forth, especially with what I pulled out---- sprinkleeninow Jul 2019 #69

Highly unlikely the Senate will convict Trump and remove him from office Martin Eden Jul 2019 #73

👍 sprinkleeninow Jul 2019 #93

Kick! gtar100 Jul 2019 #76

Can I clarify one thing with folks here? CaptainTruth Jul 2019 #78

Simple. He should face all of the legal consequences that his actions warrant Tom Rinaldo Jul 2019 #82

Again, this stands out-- sprinkleeninow Jul 2019 #96

Damn right thegoose Jul 2019 #79

When the Senate votes Trump to be Not Guilty Locutusofborg Jul 2019 #80

Politically more Republican Senators would risk losing seats for standing by Trump after impeachment Tom Rinaldo Jul 2019 #88

Haven't you noticed? Locutusofborg Jul 2019 #91

Deserting Trump would hurt Republican Senators in States that they could not otherwise lose Tom Rinaldo Jul 2019 #92

Not one mention of McConnell lame54 Jul 2019 #81

It's always the Democrats' fault. TwilightZone Jul 2019 #86

Good post, with many good responses. Recommended. c-rational Jul 2019 #83

THIS x100000 budkin Jul 2019 #84

Agree with you 100%. These are not normal times, and Trump is not a normal President. Bluepinky Jul 2019 #87

👍 sprinkleeninow Jul 2019 #94

This message was self-deleted by its author LovingA2andMI Jul 2019 #90

If you are afraid to impeach because you think you will lose the election because of it, world wide wally Jul 2019 #95

WE DON'T LET IT GET TO THE #@% SENATE! Ligyron Jul 2019 #97

So investigations only then? Locutusofborg Jul 2019 #113

Must go to the Senate when exactly? Ligyron Jul 2019 #116

One 'calculation', i.e., for/against, should outweigh the other. sprinkleeninow Jul 2019 #98

1. He already is normalized Cary Jul 2019 #101

,,, Different Drummer Jul 2019 #103

I agree. mnhtnbb Jul 2019 #104

Recommended democrank Jul 2019 #107

K & R SunSeeker Jul 2019 #109

DURec leftstreet Jul 2019 #110

Pelosi needs to read this Perseus Jul 2019 #111

We keep making Constitutional arguments as if the Constitution will stand up to what is happening. gulliver Jul 2019 #112

K&R +1,000,000!!!!!!!! diva77 Jul 2019 #114

Removal is not possible...thus it is a waste of time and money and could cost us the house...as Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #115

We may not be able to remove but we can impeach, which is not a waste of time. SunSeeker Jul 2019 #118

You can investigate and showcase Trump's crimes without turning off moderates in states Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #156

No we can't, as is evident. Why would an impeachment inquiry turn off moderates? SunSeeker Jul 2019 #159

Polls move as circumstances evolve. We all know that Tom Rinaldo Jul 2019 #119

If we lose the house and he wins again...it would be a disaster...too big a risk. If we could remove Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #155

Senate is not needed to hurt Red Don politically and follow constitution uponit7771 Jul 2019 #143

You won't hurt him...those you could reach in order to hurt him or already on our side...the others Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #153

without consequences, there are no laws Hermit-The-Prog Jul 2019 #117

Totally Agree colsohlibgal Jul 2019 #120

Here's a horrifying prospect... Snarkoleptic Jul 2019 #121

Unfortunately, our leadership is running out the clock, IMO. Grave mistake. Nevermypresident Jul 2019 #131

If we do not take the appropriate steps, every yellowdogintexas Jul 2019 #122

Not so. There's too much fault put on Democrats when the public has every right to allow its govt ancianita Jul 2019 #123

You may think otherwise, but this OP isn't about "blaming Democrats" Tom Rinaldo Jul 2019 #125

It's clearly about blaming Democrats. TwilightZone Jul 2019 #128

I say that the continued normalization of Trump has an easier path forward without impeachment Tom Rinaldo Jul 2019 #132

Spot on!! Thekaspervote Jul 2019 #147

Totally agree. To me, the words like "we" and "normalizing" make it problematic at this point. ancianita Jul 2019 #133

Yes, the public can speak out, and the public can vote, and the public should and has done both Tom Rinaldo Jul 2019 #135

There are so many ways to legitimately go after him, yes. BeckyDem Jul 2019 #124

It's what's called a double bind: Sogo Jul 2019 #127

True that it is not politically a clear cut no brainer Tom Rinaldo Jul 2019 #130

And what does the inevitable acquittal do to normalize Trump? (nt) Recursion Jul 2019 #134

It exposes a corrupt and fully complicit Republican Party in time for the 2020 elections. Tom Rinaldo Jul 2019 #136

They're already exposed. Everyone who's going to care cares. Recursion Jul 2019 #137

I am not as sure as you that everyone who's going to care cares. Tom Rinaldo Jul 2019 #138

Agree!! Thekaspervote Jul 2019 #148

Senate is not needed to hurt Red Don politically and follow constitution uponit7771 Jul 2019 #144

An acquittal helps Trump politically; it doesn't hurt him. (nt) Recursion Jul 2019 #149

I disagree, watoos Jul 2019 #152

Historically the party of the impeached has never fared well in elections post impeachment when .... uponit7771 Jul 2019 #154

A sensible woodchuck will be along shortly to scold you! Lucky Luciano Jul 2019 #139

Yes, yes, yes!! jimlup Jul 2019 #140

Trump is not the only one who swore an oath to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution. Marcuse Jul 2019 #145

K&R! Catch2.2 Jul 2019 #146

Agreed. Impeach the bastard clear to hell. VOX Jul 2019 #151

I've said it before and I'll say it again. WinstonSmith4740 Jul 2019 #158

It bears repeating n/t Tom Rinaldo Jul 2019 #162