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62. Actually it's positive reinforcement because you add the stimuli

Sun Jul 28, 2019, 08:09 AM

Jul 2019

Negative reinforcement is taking it away. Has nothing to if you view it as pain or pleasure.

David Mech is the researcher you are quoting. However you obviously have not read his studies because you are getting pieced of what he has said. There is indeed a pack. It does have a leader. It is how the order of the pack is maintained where Mech has changed. Farley a Mowatt has some great work observing wild packs.

Cedar does not train. He changes behavior of dog's made neurotic by bad breeding or handling. The ALL positive nonsense is based upon Karen Pryor's work with cetation and probably doesn't translate to dogs 100%.

Gloria Stillwell popularized it with her show. She is a fraud. An actress and model with no real background in ethology.

The best trainer today is Michael Ellis who uses both reward based and aversive bases methods as needed.

I have degrees in toxicology and ethology as I had planned to work for a large Agriculture company back in the day. I train dog's professionally on the side.

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Adopting a dog - some questions [View all] underpants Jul 2019 OP

Check out organizations like Lapdog Rescue or some comradebillyboy Jul 2019 #1

Rescue-Go to the local shelter Boxerfan Jul 2019 #2

There are a bunch of great rescue organizations... Sancho Jul 2019 #3

Read a Cesar Milan book about dog behavior and know what breeds are like. lindysalsagal Jul 2019 #4

With due respect, Cesar Milan techniques are abusive... targetpractice Jul 2019 #21

Exactly, I have NEVER been impressed Doreen Jul 2019 #31

Dogs Know Who The Boss Is Me. Jul 2019 #53

Ceasar is still better than Gloria Stillwell Drahthaardogs Jul 2019 #38

I've raised 5 German Shepherds from pups and absolutley subscribe to the pack 'theory'. trof Jul 2019 #57

Exactly the point... targetpractice Jul 2019 #59

Actually it's positive reinforcement because you add the stimuli Drahthaardogs Jul 2019 #62

NO! Read Puppies for Dummys DBoon Jul 2019 #34

A shelter would be good sakabatou Jul 2019 #5

Go to your local Humane Society Cattledog Jul 2019 #6

If you have nice furniture, I would definitely suggest an adult dog instead of a puppy. Arkansas Granny Jul 2019 #7

Puppies think your bare feet are a chewy toy DBoon Jul 2019 #36

We've adopted two adult dogs and one puppy renate Jul 2019 #8

Our daughter found babysitting their puppy through the Hortensis Jul 2019 #14

Actually, I prefer to get a puppy even though my puppy chewed all my Keen sandles up womanofthehills Jul 2019 #47

I found my Snowy--who was 3 years old--on petfinder mnhtnbb Jul 2019 #9

Yes, I was going to post petfinder as a place to start Hortensis Jul 2019 #17

If you are a dog newbie leftieNanner Jul 2019 #10

My daughter rescued an older dog who is a sweetheart, decided he needed company and got Tech Jul 2019 #11

Yes, good thing puppies are so cute. LisaL Jul 2019 #24

Rescues are the best ! So many great companions needing a home. MichMan Jul 2019 #12

Check out the Sato project voteearlyvoteoften Jul 2019 #13

do not get an anxious dog maxsolomon Jul 2019 #15

You can foster to adopt. roody Jul 2019 #52

better option. maxsolomon Jul 2019 #64

if you have service dog connections, find a washout. mopinko Jul 2019 #16

i can echo this. maxsolomon Jul 2019 #19

Yes. I actually only buy FCI registered dogs Drahthaardogs Jul 2019 #39

First thing to do: some research regarding the Backseat Driver Jul 2019 #18

Petfinder.com nt UniteFightBack Jul 2019 #20

Check with your local PetSmart. Ours have rescue groups every Saturday out front with rescues. n/t zackymilly Jul 2019 #22

Puppy will pee everywhere and chew on everything. LisaL Jul 2019 #23

If you've ever had a toddler bamagal62 Jul 2019 #25

Please get a Rescue Dog, any Rescue Dog ! donkeypoofed Jul 2019 #26

Puppies easily get adopted. Adopting a mature dog sounds more like the ticket for your family emmaverybo Jul 2019 #27

I also found my dog on Petfinder. The shelter that had him had made a video of him and ooky Jul 2019 #28

My recommendation flvegan Jul 2019 #29

Police Departments and the Armed Services Haggis for Breakfast Jul 2019 #30

If it's not a Mastiff, it's just a dog. Hermit-The-Prog Jul 2019 #32

Uhm Doreen Jul 2019 #35

Correct-a-mundo! leftieNanner Jul 2019 #54

My niece got a dog from Mexico. She found a guy who rescues Doreen Jul 2019 #33

Your local humane society DeminPennswoods Jul 2019 #37

You've gotten a lot of good advice. phylny Jul 2019 #40

Cruise the shelters. Buzz cook Jul 2019 #41

https://www.rescueme.org Bayard Jul 2019 #42

Adopting an older dog does not guarantee it will be house broken standingtall Jul 2019 #43

I recommend going to a rescue agency that has dogs in foster homes StarfishSaver Jul 2019 #44

For me, I looked for an adoptable dog that was between 1-3 years old, already house trained. boston bean Jul 2019 #45

The crate for your new dog should be helpful. Ilsa Jul 2019 #46

There are all kind of great places in RVA and Cville obamanut2012 Jul 2019 #48

Lots of good advise here stopwastingmymoney Jul 2019 #49

We got our first dog this week, a one year old rescue terrier cross, Safe to say it's life changing! OnDoutside Jul 2019 #50

What a cutie! LisaL Jul 2019 #56

Yes, completely ! I can see already that she's a real character. OnDoutside Jul 2019 #60

Your local municipal shelter or humane society. roody Jul 2019 #51

We have always started with puppies but adopted an older dog this past Jan. The empressof all Jul 2019 #55

I highly recommend this book: trof Jul 2019 #58

I would go with an older dog mercuryblues Jul 2019 #61

A cage? cwydro Jul 2019 #63