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Proud Liberal Dem

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54. It doesn't seem very likely IMHO
Thu Aug 22, 2019, 09:14 AM
Aug 2019

but we have been burned too many times over the years to leave anything to chance. I think that unity and turnout will be keys to victory in 2020. If we all agree to immediately unite around whoever wins the primary no matter who and push back on obvious propaganda against them and work hard for him/her, as well as Democrats in downballot races, I think that we'll be fine. Trump is only getting worse, not better, and there doesn't seem to be anything that he can do between now and next November that could possibly make the case that he deserves a second term- even if the economy doesn't tank or fall into a recession on his watch. The only things that I can see that would potentially sink us is if are disunited and disorganized like in 2016, which, hopefully, we've moved beyond. There will be no Hillary Clinton on the ballot (who, unfortunately, so many people seem to hate.....for reasons), the DNC appears to be stable, Assange is in no position to help hack and disrupt things for the GOP/Russians, Manafort and Stone are currently out of commission, Bannon and Trump are estranged, we are all (hopefully) a bit wiser as to Russian cyberops than we were in 2016, and there are no major 3rd or 4th party candidates whom might potentially split the vote, at least none that I'm aware of yet. The odds seem better for us in general.

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No, it's not. 92 million eligible voters didn't show up in 2016. NCLefty Aug 2019 #1
Predict It has Trump at 43% exboyfil Aug 2019 #2
President Dukakis will note his post-convention numbers were much higher than Biden's BeyondGeography Aug 2019 #3
dukakis was running against herbert Walker Bush JI7 Aug 2019 #5
Polls, schmolls BeyondGeography Aug 2019 #7
"'Polls, schmolls' said Hillary Clinton." betsuni Aug 2019 #8
... BeyondGeography Aug 2019 #10
Still don't get it. betsuni Aug 2019 #13
Are those the pols with Russia's involvement or without? tia uponit7771 Aug 2019 #43
Those polls were actually 100% accurate Polybius Aug 2019 #58
That was just the last week of polling BeyondGeography Aug 2019 #59
I think it means that Hillary Clinton was clearly ahead in the polls so she was expected to win Rhiannon12866 Aug 2019 #20
3.2 points doesn't seem like a big difference to me. betsuni Aug 2019 #23
I believe that three presidential candidates in my lifetime were cheated out of the presidency Rhiannon12866 Aug 2019 #26
+1, Clinton only got 100k less votes than Obama 2012 ... she wasn't that far off so the over uponit7771 Aug 2019 #45
THANK YOU. betsuni Aug 2019 #49
... and Russians!!! There fixed it for you uponit7771 Aug 2019 #33
Which he will do. With the aid of Russia... dchill Aug 2019 #14
yes,that's why we just have to vote and make sure the process is as fair as possible JI7 Aug 2019 #15
I know. But only fair is fair. Anything else is cheating. dchill Aug 2019 #16
Voting doesn't fix registration shaving uponit7771 Aug 2019 #34
What does winning have to do with it? DFW Aug 2019 #4
right, the bigger problem we have to deal with it's their cheating JI7 Aug 2019 #6
Systematic electoral manipulation brought us two rounds of Cheney and Trump DFW Aug 2019 #9
THIS !!!! We're not losing they are empirically cheating save one or two elections uponit7771 Aug 2019 #35
we cannot count on free, fair election to rid ourselves of him. Grasswire2 Aug 2019 #11
+1, uponit7771 Aug 2019 #36
At the same time, 17 million names have been purged off of voter rolls -- by Repukes -- RockRaven Aug 2019 #12
No he wont win a fair election. Joe941 Aug 2019 #17
The only thing that's going to change ... NanceGreggs Aug 2019 #18
I don't think they're dreading it so much as PandoraAwakened Aug 2019 #19
All the Russian assistance in the world ... NanceGreggs Aug 2019 #28
The monster has never behaved like other presidents Norbert Aug 2019 #21
Great post. Nt raccoon Aug 2019 #41
Thx for posting...I for one will take your positive post and run with it. Thekaspervote Aug 2019 #22
"It's possible Democrats may nominate someone with unfavorable ratings similar to Hillary Clinton." betsuni Aug 2019 #24
Given that, think we should have rallied around Laura PourMeADrink Aug 2019 #32
TV ad: free healthcare for all unauthorized immigrants? Cicada Aug 2019 #25
I agree. tman Aug 2019 #27
Predictit is smarter than I am, They have it about even odds Cicada Aug 2019 #29
Biden is bullet proof. Period. That's why he'll win. They can't lindysalsagal Aug 2019 #30
I agree. Biden is a 100% lock to win against Trump. Bonx Aug 2019 #57
No it's not, not remotely. We didn't airlift 80,000 Democrats into PA or OH Recursion Aug 2019 #31
... and Russia helping him right? uponit7771 Aug 2019 #37
That's a given, but it won't look like last time Recursion Aug 2019 #38
..👍🏼 uponit7771 Aug 2019 #39
We cant know until we get our nominee Cosmocat Aug 2019 #40
W underpants Aug 2019 #42
That's true customerserviceguy Aug 2019 #55
I sincerely hope that he doesn't, but 2016 has taught me raccoon Aug 2019 #44
When Democrats vote Democrats win philf99 Aug 2019 #46
It's going to be a blow out malaise Aug 2019 #47
Assuming there's a free & fair 2020 election, it'll be decided (again) in the perennial swing states VOX Aug 2019 #48
Oh, gee, I dunno maybe the electoral college will have something to say about that solara Aug 2019 #50
There was no way Trump was going to be the nominee. Then, there was no way he could win. Coventina Aug 2019 #51
I've heard this before, and look at how it ended. Firestorm49 Aug 2019 #52
Agreed, but don't take anything for granted. In 2004, it was hard to imagine a Bush re-election IdealsAndReal42 Aug 2019 #53
It doesn't seem very likely IMHO Proud Liberal Dem Aug 2019 #54
I go back and forth on this topic. honest.abe Aug 2019 #56
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