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In reply to the discussion: OK, Old Timers, I gotta say this: [View all]TruckFump
(5,812 posts)That was my first insight -- as a very young person -- that our government LIED to us and LIED to us all the time. Nothing I have seen over the many, many years since then has disabused me of that opinion.
VN, WMD, Iran-Contra, Watergate, and now...the Ukraine scandal. All are bad, but maybe because it is Trump who is a total, unmitigated piece of shit, this is the topper for me. And, it seems more than ever the members of the party involved in the scandal are over the top in waging a defense. THERE IS NO DEFENSE TO WHAT TRUMP DID.
The more that comes out, the more I see that the rot is deep, very deep in our political system and "we the people," the middle class, the little people, the worker bees, are nothing to those at the top of the rotted heap.