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Martin Eden

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44. Perhaps you can show her the Sharon Underwood letter
Sat Oct 12, 2019, 07:27 PM
Oct 2019

If this has no effect, then nothing will.


This editorial is from Sunday's Concord Monitor. Sunday, April 30, 2000

By SHARON UNDERWOOD



As the mother of a gay son, I've seen firsthand how cruel and misguided people can be. Many letters have been sent to the Valley News concerning the homosexual menace in Vermont. I am the mother of a gay son and I've taken enough from you good people. I'm tired of your foolish rhetoric about the "homosexual agenda" and your allegations that accepting homosexuality is the same thing as advocating sex with children. You are cruel and ignorant. You have been robbing me of the joys of motherhood ever since my children were tiny.

My firstborn son started suffering at the hands of the moral little thugs from your moral, upright families from the time he was in the first grade. He was physically and verbally abused from first grade straight through high school because he was perceived to be gay. He never professed to be gay or had any association with anything gay, but he had the misfortune not to walk or have gestures like the other boys. He was called "fag" incessantly, starting when he was 6.

In high school, while your children were doing what kids that age should be doing, mine labored over a suicide note, drafting and redrafting it to be sure his family knew how much he loved them. My sobbing 17-year-old tore the heart out of me as he choked out that he just couldn't bear to continue living any longer, that he didn't want to be gay and that he couldn't face a life without dignity.

You have the audacity to talk about protecting families and children from the homosexual menace, while you yourselves tear apart families and drive children to despair. I don't know why my son is gay, but I do know that God didn't put him, and millions like him, on this Earth to give you someone to abuse. God gave you brains so that you could think, and it's about time you started doing that.

At the core of all your misguided beliefs is the belief that this could never happen to you, that there is some kind of subculture out there that people have chosen to join. The fact is that if it can happen to my family, it can happen to yours, and you won't get to choose. Whether it is genetic I don't know. I can only tell you that it is inborn.

If you want to tout your own morality, you'd best come up with something more substantive than your heterosexuality. You did nothing to earn it; it was given to you. If you disagree, I would be interested in hearing your story, because my own heterosexuality was a blessing I received with no effort whatsoever on my part. It is so woven into the very soul of me that nothing could ever change it. For those of you who reduce sexual orientation to a simple choice, a character issue, a bad habit or something that can be changed by a 10-step program, I'm puzzled. Are you saying that your own sexual orientation is nothing more than something you have chosen, that you could change it at will? If that's not the case, then why would you suggest that someone else can?

A popular theme in your letters is that Vermont has been infiltrated by outsiders. Both sides of my family have lived in Vermont for generations. I am heart and soul a Vermonter, so I'll thank you to stop saying that you are speaking for "true Vermonters."

You invoke the memory of the brave people who have fought on the battlefield for this great country, saying that they didn't give their lives so that the "homosexual agenda" could tear down the principles they died defending. My 83-year-old father fought in some of the most horrific battles of World War II, was wounded and awarded the Purple Heart. He shakes his head in sadness at the life his grandson has had to live. He says he fought alongside homosexuals in those battles, that they did their part and bothered no one. One of his best friends in the service was gay, and he never knew it until the end, and when he did find out, it mattered not at all. That wasn't the measure of the man.

You religious folk just can't bear the thought that as my son emerges from the hell that was his childhood he might like to find a lifelong companion and have a measure of happiness. It offends your sensibilities that he should request the right to visit that companion in the hospital, to make medical decisions for him or to benefit from tax laws governing inheritance.

How dare he? you say. These outrageous requests would threaten the very existence of your family, would undermine the sanctity of marriage. You use religion to abdicate your responsibility to be thinking human beings. There are vast numbers of religious people who find your attitudes repugnant. God is not for the privileged majority, and God knows my son has committed no sin.

The deep-thinking author of a letter to the April 12 Valley News who lectures about homosexual sin and tells us about "those of us who have been blessed with the benefits of a religious upbringing" asks: "Whatever happened to the idea of striving… to be better human beings than we are?"

Indeed, sir, what ever happened to that?

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What did Jesus say about homosexuality? Or abortion? guillaumeb Oct 2019 #1
They make up crap as they go along to suit their controlling ways!!! n/t RKP5637 Oct 2019 #12
Or about slavery? Or the death penalty? Kaleva Oct 2019 #18
Or about the rich? And paying taxes? guillaumeb Oct 2019 #43
Jesus did talk about the rich and paying taxes but he didn't about slavery, the death peanlty, Kaleva Oct 2019 #46
He did talk about the death penalty Major Nikon Oct 2019 #49
I find "get the fuck out of my house" to be apropos. Dr Hobbitstein Oct 2019 #2
Or just "get out"... Moostache Oct 2019 #3
Yeah Gelliebeans Oct 2019 #15
Yep, life is too short to deal with people like this! Fuck them! They are psychologically deranged RKP5637 Oct 2019 #21
In Genesis, the Bible says not to alter the Lord's word Baltimike Oct 2019 #62
Most of them probably never read it and would call it fake! They are idiots!!! n/t RKP5637 Oct 2019 #63
indeed. It's just important to point out that THEY are the affront to Xanity, not LGBTQ Baltimike Oct 2019 #64
Yep!!! n/t RKP5637 Oct 2019 #65
I think we waste our breath arguing with them. doc03 Oct 2019 #4
Ask them when they made their decision to be heterosexual. The Velveteen Ocelot Oct 2019 #5
Excellent question. I have to remember that one. nt Blue_true Oct 2019 #32
That's my response The Blue Flower Oct 2019 #52
This. n/t ms liberty Oct 2019 #36
Exactly. This. Dave Starsky Oct 2019 #81
If they really believe that then that should be able to tell... Thomas Hurt Oct 2019 #6
Good way to put it. n/t ms liberty Oct 2019 #37
But there are people who are attracted irisblue Oct 2019 #42
that what the reality is, not what these people believe. Thomas Hurt Oct 2019 #45
Yeah & thx for the reply, if the.parents are so upset over being gay irisblue Oct 2019 #47
Exactly. Ask her when she... 3catwoman3 Oct 2019 #7
That's what I usually ask, as well. GoCubsGo Oct 2019 #17
There are so many verses on the folly of judging others. Use some. If she wants to follow the word Doodley Oct 2019 #8
I've always found that those who are the most homophobic, are also the most internally conflicted unitedwethrive Oct 2019 #9
Definitely!!! That is seen over and over and over again. I find people that stick their noses into RKP5637 Oct 2019 #16
American Christianity is a far cry from the message redstateblues Oct 2019 #10
Religion in the US is a bunch of crap!!! n/t RKP5637 Oct 2019 #22
I like to say, "Who gives a shit if it's a choice?" Wounded Bear Oct 2019 #11
Exactly. And, why are some so concerned about GoCubsGo Oct 2019 #20
It's not. cwydro Oct 2019 #55
Have a Wellstone ruled Oct 2019 #13
There's nothing you can say toddwv Oct 2019 #14
I find them to be extremely weak people who have found something to cling to and like the RKP5637 Oct 2019 #25
Discretion elleng Oct 2019 #19
If I'm with a relative or friend, we don't spend time watching the news. Kaleva Oct 2019 #23
Nothing. XRubicon Oct 2019 #24
To the great responses above, I would ask ... 'exactly where does God make it clear that being gay mr_lebowski Oct 2019 #26
Best rendition of this concept ever: Aristus Oct 2019 #41
the "ignorant tightass club" - loved that! FM123 Oct 2019 #76
Actually it's not clear from what I understand ismnotwasm Oct 2019 #27
I like to tell the tale of the year I chose my sexual orientation. It goes like this: Garrett78 Oct 2019 #28
And after you've asked them when they chose to be heterosexual, The Velveteen Ocelot Oct 2019 #29
My mother's cousin Paul was gay, as was another cousin, plus the nephew of that cousin, & my cousin. phylny Oct 2019 #59
This message was self-deleted by its author Flaleftist Oct 2019 #30
She tripped herself up before starting the bible verse stuff. Blue_true Oct 2019 #31
Tell 'em, "You're right, you know. They're just doing it to get you upset." Mister Ed Oct 2019 #33
Back when I was a cute young Jewish man in 1970's Los Angeles, MurrayDelph Oct 2019 #34
I'd tell them that i leave that decision up to the LORD! not our concern! bluestarone Oct 2019 #35
Judge not, least you be judged... SWBTATTReg Oct 2019 #38
They believe the Bible was written by men... StarryNite Oct 2019 #39
I always then ask when they chose to be straight. Johnny2X2X Oct 2019 #40
Perhaps you can show her the Sharon Underwood letter Martin Eden Oct 2019 #44
Heard this a lot... Duppers Oct 2019 #48
I never implied atheists don't do good words or practice kindness. rustysgurl Oct 2019 #51
If god is the creator of ALL things lunatica Oct 2019 #50
Give up trying to reason with her vlyons Oct 2019 #53
Ask them at what age The Wizard Oct 2019 #54
Read what Hebrews says about legalists. She is clearly flat wrong. onecaliberal Oct 2019 #56
What about her child who she loved Skidmore Oct 2019 #57
I don't know what to tell you The Genealogist Oct 2019 #58
He's gay because GOD made him that way, and the 10 C's say not to lie, so....nt Baltimike Oct 2019 #60
If she really believes the BS, tell her gays and lesbians were created by God and, therefore, Vinca Oct 2019 #61
"(I know, I was dancing on the minefield). " Demovictory9 Oct 2019 #66
I'd tell them that if it's a choice ... dawg Oct 2019 #67
Well if you want to get technical ... Odoreida Oct 2019 #68
You have the option to tell her mnhtnbb Oct 2019 #69
I have no patience for people who "take a hard stance against anything God says is wrong." DFW Oct 2019 #70
I would probably ask them moondust Oct 2019 #71
Imo, the question should not be what the Bible says about homosexuality. It s/b why anyone cares? Sophia_Of_PlanetX Oct 2019 #72
I thought Jesus died for EVERYONE'S sins TexasBushwhacker Oct 2019 #73
The only "choice" involved here is that Christianists CHOOSE to remain ignorant. VOX Oct 2019 #74
Late to the convo, but try this: "when did you decide to be left/right handed?" LanternWaste Oct 2019 #75
Nothing HopeAgain Oct 2019 #77
My first reaction snowybirdie Oct 2019 #78
What if it was a choice? Cracklin Charlie Oct 2019 #79
I just tell them I'm a "red letter Christian". SharonAnn Oct 2019 #80
My general attitude is, so what if it *is* a choice? Proud Liberal Dem Oct 2019 #82
You can't argue rationally with irrationality... JCMach1 Oct 2019 #83
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