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ECSkeptic

(62 posts)
7. You have to be careful...
Mon Oct 21, 2019, 11:56 AM
Oct 2019

...with analyses like these. The problem is that the analyzer already knows the content of the meeting, what was said and the effects it had, and that can inject bias into the analysis. If you already know the general emotional state of the participants (and we already know Trump was getting his fat ass handed to him), it's almost impossible not to interpret everything you see in a manner consistent with your knowledge of the events.

That's not a knock on the writer or their expertise; it's an observation about how human brains work. Confirmation bias can and does creep in subconsciously into observation and analyses. The best way to analyze the body language of a photo would be to have it coded using a consistent coding scheme by more than one body language expert, all of whom should have no knowledge of the event other than the photo itself. Then their codings would be pooled/averaged. However, given the widespread exposure of these events, I don't think that's feasible in this case.

It's still an interesting article, and makes some very intriguing observations, but I would be cautious about making scientific or psychological claims based on this kind of analysis.

Every word. Ninga Oct 2019 #1
So telling homegirl Oct 2019 #6
What degree programs are offered in Body Language and how does one become an "expert" at it? jberryhill Oct 2019 #2
I don't know, but "Lie to Me" with Tim Roth was a great series. CrispyQ Oct 2019 #3
"Lie to Me" was based on the life work of Dr. Paul Eckman, Haggis for Breakfast Oct 2019 #66
good question NewJeffCT Oct 2019 #4
Don't know but I would think that both wnylib Oct 2019 #11
much of what we know about body language was learned from studying apes. mopinko Oct 2019 #16
Yes and I love not only Jane's work wnylib Oct 2019 #22
So it should be easy to gauge Trump's body language. LiberalFighter Oct 2019 #23
Desmond Morris, zoologist and ethnologist, author of The Naked Ape helped to popularize emmaverybo Oct 2019 #56
it is a thing i geek out to. mopinko Oct 2019 #58
Google is your friend TeamPooka Oct 2019 #19
Obviously not today it isn't jberryhill Oct 2019 #20
Took me 10 seconds. Used '"body language" studies' first, changed to '"body language" degree'. Bernardo de La Paz Oct 2019 #44
Bernardo Hekate Oct 2019 #68
Apparently these people are psychologists with advanced degees BumRushDaShow Oct 2019 #27
Obviously, math is not his strong suit jberryhill Oct 2019 #35
I was in an ACS-certified chemist track BumRushDaShow Oct 2019 #36
Unknown to you, US govt studies find people change careers 3 times, on average. Bernardo de La Paz Oct 2019 #45
What makes you believe that is unknown to me? jberryhill Oct 2019 #46
Except his resume doesn't say that. And you set up a false equivalency. Bernardo de La Paz Oct 2019 #49
Huh? jberryhill Oct 2019 #50
I read exactly what you quoted. And your false equivalency is still false. Bernardo de La Paz Oct 2019 #51
body language vs. handwriting analysis kiri Oct 2019 #29
We all enjoy that. Cuthbert Allgood Oct 2019 #31
Also, wouldn't more than one still photo or film be more telling. MarcA Oct 2019 #38
There is solid scientific foundation for body language but little for handwriting analysis Bernardo de La Paz Oct 2019 #60
As someone with a Master's in Communication, I'm with you. Cuthbert Allgood Oct 2019 #30
Nonverbal Communication is possibly what you are looking for in academic arenas. davsand Oct 2019 #32
It was also taught for those of us obtaining degrees in Organizational Behavior... llmart Oct 2019 #41
Neuro Linguistic Programming (NLP)? nt. druidity33 Oct 2019 #39
Nope, that is an orthogonal direction and discredited. Not comparable to body language studies Bernardo de La Paz Oct 2019 #61
why dont you google it? stevesinpa Oct 2019 #43
I did jberryhill Oct 2019 #47
Reading fortunes TimeToGo Oct 2019 #55
All you need is a mallet and you can give yourself whatever bumps on the head fortune you want. tclambert Oct 2019 #62
😎 TimeToGo Oct 2019 #65
Yeah, that was my question as well Orrex Oct 2019 #67
Kick. I will forever enjoy this photo immensely. Guilded Lilly Oct 2019 #5
It will be painted as a fresco in public spaces, to remind America lagomorph777 Oct 2019 #24
You have to be careful... ECSkeptic Oct 2019 #7
excellent kiri Oct 2019 #34
Reading body language is a skill FBI profilers and psychologists use. CousinIT Oct 2019 #71
Just out of curiosity jberryhill Oct 2019 #48
EVERY field of science that relies upon empirical data must guard against observer bias. ECSkeptic Oct 2019 #52
62/ Trump is a raging lunatic. mountain grammy Oct 2019 #8
like Nancy Pelosi was the President -- and Trump was being fired crazytown Oct 2019 #9
She is certainly working on firing him, and from his body language, he knows it flibbitygiblets Oct 2019 #25
Some real good books... Toorich Oct 2019 #10
Cliff's Notes Version SCVDem Oct 2019 #12
Basically she was taking tRump to the woodshed & the mostly male listeners were squirming Texin Oct 2019 #14
I posted essentially the same thing before I read your post. Tipperary Oct 2019 #64
blah, blah, blah...Nancy...President...blah, blah, blah debsy Oct 2019 #13
Fascinating cp Oct 2019 #15
I find this stuff absolutely fascinating. VERY illuminating and instructive. calimary Oct 2019 #17
Interesting stuff Hekate Oct 2019 #18
Trump has the "Daddy, why are they so MEAN to me???" look. All the time. oldsoftie Oct 2019 #21
I actually would not be surprised if his mother wasn't the parent who he feared the most. llmart Oct 2019 #42
The "alpha" and "beta" is pop psychology Caliman73 Oct 2019 #26
That's a bit shallow. Alpha/beta still respected & used by researchers of Primate groups. Bernardo de La Paz Oct 2019 #70
Just finished giving this a close reading. Bookmarking. Stunning -- & I'd bet highly accurate. Hekate Oct 2019 #28
Oh, bullshit. Act_of_Reparation Oct 2019 #33
What makes him an "ASSHOLE"? Such a strong opinion has no relevance without explanation. Bernardo de La Paz Oct 2019 #69
In the long sad history of asshole moves, peddling woo ranks somewhere between... Act_of_Reparation Oct 2019 #74
It is a mistake to think that body language is "woo". There is real science behind it. Not nonsense Bernardo de La Paz Oct 2019 #76
Citation needed. Act_of_Reparation Oct 2019 #77
Citation provided Bernardo de La Paz Oct 2019 #78
K&R burrowowl Oct 2019 #37
another take robbedvoter Oct 2019 #40
The observation about the glass being pushed out is really interesting. Chemisse Oct 2019 #53
He does it a lot, I'm reminded of this video: chia Oct 2019 #73
Very cool! Silver1 Oct 2019 #54
Excellent and obvious jimlup Oct 2019 #57
good analysis, not overdone and stretched Hermit-The-Prog Oct 2019 #59
Interesting read. Tipperary Oct 2019 #63
Wow DeSmet Oct 2019 #72
This is a very interesting analysis, and I think most of it is Nitram Oct 2019 #75
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