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Proud Liberal Dem

(24,406 posts)
142. I think that that's partly true
Fri Jan 6, 2012, 01:03 AM
Jan 2012

He might not have had to bend so much to Blue Dogs and Republicans had the Republicans not been so lockstep obstructionist and a few more Republicans had been willing to vote their consciences but there have been a few things that I haven't necessarily agreed with too - though nothing that I would consider a "deal breaker" and I'm not sure that there is anything that Obama could do that would ever be as horrendous as what the Republican Tea Partiers could and would do control WH for 4-8 years (with Congress to boot).
I think that this "strategy" (if you want to call it that) is mostly effective with the low-information voters whom don't fully understand how the federal government (WH & Congress) operate and believe that the President can just get what he/she wants and that if they don't, then they're somehow a failure as a leader. The way George W. Bush was perceived to have governed seems to reinforce this myth though a.)He didn't get absolutely EVERYTHING he wanted and b.)He got most of what he wanted due to Republican control of Congress for six of his eight years as POTUS and those Republican Congresses rubberstamped virtually his entire agenda, including the wasteful and ineffective Medicare Drug Prescription Plan, budget busting tax cuts before and during two simultaneous wars/occupations (one of which was clearly a "war of choice&quot . The Republican Tea Party essentially counts on most people being too ignorant and/or oblivious to realize that even though one party can technically control the Senate (i.e. the Democrats), the other party (i.e. Republicans) can actually gum up the works so badly that the body can't even proceed to a simple up-or-down vote on a bill (let alone ensure its passage) without a supermajority (which is not technically how it's supposed to work but most people aren't even knowledgeable enough to know THAT either).

Very similar to my thoughts in a post I put up this morning. BootinUp Jan 2012 #1
Expect protestations of even the remotest of possibilities. Robb Jan 2012 #2
"No one likes to think they're dumb enough to be fooled." Rex Jan 2012 #3
"No one likes to think they're dumb enough to be fooled." SixthSense Jan 2012 #4
Lol - "No one likes to think they're dumb enough to be fooled." SaintPete Jan 2012 #46
Perhpas reading some previous posts...repetition to the same foolish questions Sheepshank Jan 2012 #83
I think one of us, right at this moment SaintPete Jan 2012 #90
response to your stmnt "Now explain why he signed NDAA" n/t Sheepshank Jan 2012 #113
i don't think anyone who is paying attention is "fooled" or "duped" noiretextatique Jan 2012 #110
"The purpose of the sabotage seemed to be to create within the Democratic Party...." Robb Jan 2012 #114
If it works whatchamacallit Jan 2012 #118
that's an excellent question noiretextatique Jan 2012 #120
i wasn't aware that obama had a democratic challenger noiretextatique Jan 2012 #119
You said you don't think many people are fooled by the GOP. Robb Jan 2012 #127
no...they have not improved. and given the failed presidencies of republicons noiretextatique Jan 2012 #145
Lucienne Goldberg was a mole in the McGovern campaign - on the freakin' bus RainDog Jan 2012 #133
seriously? motely36 Jan 2012 #5
Apparently it's either "You're pleased with Obama's performance" or "You're a Republican dupe." Poll_Blind Jan 2012 #6
When most of the harshest critics are either ex-Republicans or employed by Republicans... TheWraith Jan 2012 #9
But the OP doesn't say his harshest critics, those merely "disappointed" in his performance. Poll_Blind Jan 2012 #11
you don't have much facility with logical constructs DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2012 #109
Best reply ever TheEuclideanOne Jan 2012 #137
Hmm... kenfrequed Jan 2012 #123
Obama is a liberal? UnrepentantLiberal Jan 2012 #139
I second that thought pmorlan1 Jan 2012 #10
There is a difference surfdog Jan 2012 #32
No, it's quite possible. Robb Jan 2012 #8
Every succesful con also includes shame. fasttense Jan 2012 #48
shiney beads, shameless flattery Sheepshank Jan 2012 #86
Precisely Sherman A1 Jan 2012 #131
If the Republican plan was to get me to work for local radicals and progressives, they've succeeded. saras Jan 2012 #7
the cfpb is a pro corporate stance? Tiggeroshii Jan 2012 #13
Agree liberal N proud Jan 2012 #12
It isn't what Obama hasn't been able to do that I find abhorent, MadHound Jan 2012 #14
You actually think this? DefenseLawyer Jan 2012 #15
If you are not a 150% Rah, Rah, cheerleader, then you are a repuke in disguise. hobbit709 Jan 2012 #16
It does get rather old, TDale313 Jan 2012 #21
It's so much more calming for them to view things like that, though. Poll_Blind Jan 2012 #18
Don't forget legalizing the criminal acts of aWoL, escalating the war on public schools and Vincardog Jan 2012 #129
insulting in its childishness isnt it? SwampG8r Jan 2012 #143
Doing too little has gotten on the backburner, doing too much that is unacceptable is TheKentuckian Jan 2012 #17
It's not the PACE, it's the DIRECTION. WorseBeforeBetter Jan 2012 #19
thank you for that information newspeak Jan 2012 #75
“None so blind as those that will not see.” RC Jan 2012 #20
obama is a poor helpless victim w/ absolutely no control over anything that happens. yeah right nt msongs Jan 2012 #22
+1 emilyg Jan 2012 #24
No kidding, right? Mind boggling. SammyWinstonJack Jan 2012 #56
+ 3 AnotherMcIntosh Jan 2012 #79
He's a figurehead. UnrepentantLiberal Jan 2012 #141
K and R DonCoquixote Jan 2012 #23
I never said there are no reasons to be disappointed... Kablooie Jan 2012 #25
Pay no attention to those pesky qualms a simple pattern Jan 2012 #47
Must be an awful big pillow... that's a BIG list! cherokeeprogressive Jan 2012 #128
Canada is trending right. redqueen Jan 2012 #65
This is a ridiculous distortion highprincipleswork Jan 2012 #26
Republican obstructionism didn't force him to appoint Geithner. AnotherMcIntosh Jan 2012 #27
Yes, we have no points. We're stooges to Republican propaganda. mmonk Jan 2012 #28
You need to eat more Monsanto, HFC and Dow products Ichingcarpenter Jan 2012 #34
What a condescending OP quinnox Jan 2012 #29
oh poor poor weak-minded, easily influenced me. piratefish08 Jan 2012 #30
Laughable bullshit IDemo Jan 2012 #31
Thank you cyberspirit Jan 2012 #33
Perhaps you forgot NorthCarolina Jan 2012 #41
Nope cyberspirit Jan 2012 #57
This is insulting and devisive, PA Democrat Jan 2012 #35
The OP didn't write or in any state that ALL failures were due to Republican obstructionism Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2012 #53
It's insulting and devisive PA Democrat Jan 2012 #61
Condescending OPs are equally bad on the other side. Many of them that Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2012 #70
My children used to justify their behavior on those grounds. PA Democrat Jan 2012 #71
I'm just saying. Just as you don't want to be pigeonholed into a group that "hates" the president Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2012 #93
Except the OP was not about people who have used those names PA Democrat Jan 2012 #106
I'm not lost at all, especially since you don't know me or anything about me. Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2012 #122
And you don't know me. PA Democrat Jan 2012 #134
You know what? It's a shame because I think that if we put our differences aside, Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2012 #135
but they're not in this thread, and this thread is what we're talking about DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2012 #112
Come on! You know EXACTLY what I'm referring to! I don't have to provide any examples Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2012 #121
How about both sides of the division stop behaving like jerks? Marrah_G Jan 2012 #149
I'm all for it, but I'm not going to run and hide from the truth. We ALL need to stop this shit. Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2012 #151
There are of course valid criticisms of Obama's decisions. Kablooie Jan 2012 #72
Please see my post below. PA Democrat Jan 2012 #73
Are you seriously trying to lecture people who warned that the Republicans would block everything... JHB Jan 2012 #36
And... kenfrequed Jan 2012 #125
The media pushes 2 completely opposite "Obama Bad" memes at all times. JoePhilly Jan 2012 #37
Thanks for re-posting this. It can't be stated enough! +1!! Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2012 #54
Will do!! JoePhilly Jan 2012 #59
He won't be the last Democratic president Puzzledtraveller Jan 2012 #38
i wonder myself where some of the more SwampG8r Jan 2012 #144
I'm always disappointed in people who indulge in bigotry against a minority group Bluenorthwest Jan 2012 #39
12 hours and no response from the OP Bluenorthwest Jan 2012 #132
Explain to me how Republican obstructionism _ed_ Jan 2012 #40
After putting up with the Dumbya administration.... ThatsMyBarack Jan 2012 #42
I have to say, this OP is really NorthCarolina Jan 2012 #43
No, I'm going by Gov. Don Siegelman. Octafish Jan 2012 #44
Personally, I was disappointed in Obama even before the election deutsey Jan 2012 #45
This Proud Public Servant Jan 2012 #49
Your number 1 was my big post-election disappointment, too n/t deutsey Jan 2012 #85
And NO ONE is stopping you from criticizing him. I wish people would stop insinuating Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2012 #55
I'm just stating that even though I vote for him, I will continue critiquing him deutsey Jan 2012 #84
And you SHOULD continue to critique him. I can't speak for the OP--and perhaps he/she Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2012 #91
That's fair enough. deutsey Jan 2012 #96
I doubt yours is the type of disappointment referred to in the OP redqueen Jan 2012 #67
i agree with you noiretextatique Jan 2012 #102
Most of us have made this point thousands of times here on DU. You're wasting Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2012 #50
yeah, well after his presidency newspeak Jan 2012 #82
I didn't agree with the Geithner or Summers appointment, no. Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2012 #92
Actually, we started "bitching" before the inaugural when he chose EFerrari Jan 2012 #99
When I indulge in disappointed feelings towards our president, Autumn Jan 2012 #51
+1 indeed nt Dreamer Tatum Jan 2012 #52
Oh for fucks sake. Hell Hath No Fury Jan 2012 #58
You'd think noone would be too blind to see this. MjolnirTime Jan 2012 #60
Yeah, Nobody has any REAL reason to be Dissapointed... it's all a right wing conspiracy fascisthunter Jan 2012 #62
Yes ...hug the pony or your a repuke victim. L0oniX Jan 2012 #63
How many were disappointed with Bill Clinton? LiberalFighter Jan 2012 #64
yeah, thought he was better than newspeak Jan 2012 #87
Yeah... sure... 99Forever Jan 2012 #66
Hey Mr Kablooooie, could you please clarify one thing... 99Forever Jan 2012 #81
Or you may want universal health care, criminal banks prosecuted, torturers in prison just1voice Jan 2012 #68
Questions: Do you believe there is a sizable number of people on DU PA Democrat Jan 2012 #69
Ah, I just noticed this post of yours. Kablooie Jan 2012 #74
Who is allowing "waves of public opinion make decisions for us"? PA Democrat Jan 2012 #76
You're right that people on this site are already more prepared than most. Kablooie Jan 2012 #88
Vent away, but don't be surprised when many people, like me PA Democrat Jan 2012 #95
How would you feel if you were told you were just a pawn of WH propaganda? Marrah_G Jan 2012 #150
What an insult to my intelligence! Wind Dancer Jan 2012 #77
Yes, my opposition to unnecessary illegal wars, erosion of civil liberties, crony capitalism... whatchamacallit Jan 2012 #78
Well said. The best! AnotherMcIntosh Jan 2012 #80
Well now, I didn't say YOU. I said some. Kablooie Jan 2012 #89
"Some say" Now who sounds like a repuke....... Marrah_G Jan 2012 #148
+1 Solly Mack Jan 2012 #103
+1 Cali_Democrat Jan 2012 #111
Thank you. woo me with science Jan 2012 #138
That's actually beside the point gulliver Jan 2012 #153
What an insulting, condescending post. Maven Jan 2012 #94
I'm not disappointed. I think he has done an amazing job, ecstatic Jan 2012 #97
And if you slam everyone who dares to criticize him as being against him... ClassWarrior Jan 2012 #98
Of the two of us, me and Obama, I wasn't the one that fell for Republican b.s. n/t EFerrari Jan 2012 #100
Oh snap! whatchamacallit Jan 2012 #107
If you're not angry over some of the things Obama and the Democrats have done ... Ganja Ninja Jan 2012 #101
thank god obama has more sense than many of his die-hard supporters noiretextatique Jan 2012 #104
.... bigwillq Jan 2012 #105
Well said. n/t Cali_Democrat Jan 2012 #108
Of course, to be fair, if you are disappointed in Obama Rex Jan 2012 #115
No disappontment here SmittynMo Jan 2012 #116
Therefore, praise of Pres. Obama implies one may be an unwitting dupe of the DNC? LanternWaste Jan 2012 #117
This kind of insulting OP makes me long for unrec. intheflow Jan 2012 #124
Rec'ing and your post is in parallet to another excellent OP by TheWraith Number23 Jan 2012 #126
K&R BumRushDaShow Jan 2012 #130
Whatever... Raine Jan 2012 #136
Obama appointed Wall Street banksters for his financial advisors. ErikJ Jan 2012 #140
I think that that's partly true Proud Liberal Dem Jan 2012 #142
My views on issues are exactly the same as they were pre-Obama Marrah_G Jan 2012 #146
what sort of emotions should we have Enrique Jan 2012 #147
I have no desire to be a pawn to anyone demtrndindie Jan 2012 #152
Rejecting the NDAA and SOPA etc. plus his doing NOTHING to protect #Occupiers Fire Walk With Me Jan 2012 #154
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