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H2O Man

(76,125 posts)
Mon Nov 25, 2019, 01:58 PM Nov 2019

Fixing a Whole [View all]

“Donald Trump truly has the most dangerous form of mental illness that you can find in a leader,” Gartner told KrassenCast. “He suffers from a personality disorder called malignant narcissism.  Malignant narcissism was actually introduced by Erich Fromm, the famed psychoanalyst, who himself narrowly escaped the Nazis. Malignant narcissism was his attempt to explain the psychology of dictators like Hitler or Stalin or Mussolini.”
Dr. John Gartner

https://hillreporter.com/renowned-phycologist-like-hitler-trump-suffers-from-sadism-malignant-narcissism-paranoia-22815



John Gartner is a psychologist who specializes in personality disorders. He worked for 28 years at John Hopkins University, and now focuses on private practice. In early 2017, his petition of over 40,000 mental health professionals stated that Donald Trump was unsuited to serve as president, and that Trump posed a threat to our nation. He has since formed the political action committee, “Duty to Warn,” to educate members of Congress and the general public about the threats that Trump poses.

I particularly like the above quote, because he identifies Erich Fromm as the person who coined the label “malignant narcissism.” Fromm used this to describe those people referred to as psychopaths or sociopaths in North America, who pose the greatest danger to society. Older forum members may recall that I've spoken of how Fromm's description fits Donald Trump on numerous OP/threads here since Trump became president.

“That's all good and true,” you may be thinking, “but are there features of this dangerous disorder that may help us anticipate what behaviors we may anticipate if the House impeaches him, and it goes to the Senate for trial? How might he behave in the context of the trial, and in his other duties as president?” Those are good questions. Let's look closer, shall we?

The place we might start is from something that a number of women here had said when Trump was the republican candidate: he is abusive to others publicly, as batterers tend to be behind closed doors. Hence we hear him, and his republican family members, parroting that the Ukrainian president said he didn't feel any pressure from Trump to investigate the Bidens. As if it would have been any safer for Zelensky to say that Trump was pressuring him, than it would be for a wife in couple's therapy to say her husband was battering her, in front of his face. That's not a safe setting.

So no thinking person is surprised now that Trump is verbally abusive towards witnesses who have testified against him, or the Democrats conducting the hearings. We know that his attacks will not only continue, but to increase as days turn into weeks. For he is not only a weak man, but he is a malignant narcissist who was unable to control himself even when House republicans asked him to, while they questioned the female ambassador that he smeared and removed from office. There are two key points there: he is especially prone to vicious attacks on women, and he lacks self-control even when it may be to his benefit.

Despite his bluffs, Trump does not want to be impeached. He is aware of what that means in terms of his place in history. We know that, despite his being a conspiracy theorist, his primary goal in attacking the Ukrainians who supported Clinton in 2016 isn't because they violated the law like the Russians did – rather, he wants to punish anyone and everyone who has ever opposed him.For he is a spiteful, cruel malignant narcissist.

His primary motivation in the context of a Senate trial will be to disrupt it as often as possible, by cheap attacks on any witnesses, Democrats, and anyone tangentially associated with the case against him. Now, that's a lot of people. But he will attack each one, and insist that all republicans join in with him.

The House committees have more information that documents Trump's corruption than has been made public at this time. Also, there will continue to be more leaks coming from the administration – especially the White House – in the weeks ahead. The sum total will make it more difficult for republicans to pretend it was a “perfect phone call,” rather than an illegal operation. This obviously will result in Trump's becoming more angry, and more intent upon attacking witnesses. He will become a dog in the late stages of rabies, seeking to bite enemies real and imagined with every step he takes.

And this brings us to the threats he poses domestically and on the international scene. Again, his nature compels him at attack those he sees as now supporting him. He will nor restrict himself to trying to intimidate them. Instead, he will hyper-actively seek to punish them with every power of the presidency. And even that will not be enough: he will attempt to exercise powers that no president has.

We've been in a dangerous time since the day he was sworn in. And we are entering a new phase of heightened threat. Yet with those dangers comes opportunity. We have the ability to kick the shit out of the Trump presidency.

Peace,
H2O Man

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Fixing a Whole [View all] H2O Man Nov 2019 OP
And 45 million Americans worship him BECAUSE he is a malignant narcissist. Eliot Rosewater Nov 2019 #1
Agree & respectfully disagree. H2O Man Nov 2019 #5
I suppose some would turn on him, but not half...either way, this is MADNESS Eliot Rosewater Nov 2019 #23
Right. H2O Man Nov 2019 #25
What Would Fromm Say About The Republican Party, Do You Think? Me. Nov 2019 #2
Great question. H2O Man Nov 2019 #8
Great Answer Me. Nov 2019 #27
Fromm was so good. H2O Man Nov 2019 #33
Thank God You're Passing It On Me. Nov 2019 #34
I'm glad that H2O Man Nov 2019 #36
Careful.... Me. Nov 2019 #37
be careful what you wish for DENVERPOPS Nov 2019 #21
Lions and tigers and bears! H2O Man Nov 2019 #26
Everyone DENVERPOPS Nov 2019 #35
Correcting the title for ya: Fixing A-Whole. TheBlackAdder Nov 2019 #3
I stand corrected! H2O Man Nov 2019 #10
I see what you did there ... A-Whole ... aggiesal Nov 2019 #17
K&R smirkymonkey Nov 2019 #4
Thank you! H2O Man Nov 2019 #11
Clearly he is going to use every possible means to claim he wins in 2020 BSdetect Nov 2019 #6
I agree 100% H2O Man Nov 2019 #12
Had to go listen to this...Trumpty Dumpty has a hole in his head that needs fixing pecosbob Nov 2019 #7
By coincidence, H2O Man Nov 2019 #9
Kicking to read later. I don't usually quote Elves... Hekate Nov 2019 #13
I had to google H2O Man Nov 2019 #15
Awww, I read LOTR in 1965, when I was 17... Hekate Nov 2019 #22
I think that I H2O Man Nov 2019 #28
interesting; fiction yields empathy Hermit-The-Prog Nov 2019 #48
K&R... spanone Nov 2019 #14
Thank you! H2O Man Nov 2019 #16
"We have the ability to kick the shit out of the Trump presidency." PWPippinesq Nov 2019 #18
I think she would. H2O Man Nov 2019 #29
I'm saving this! Thanks for sharing! Karadeniz Nov 2019 #19
Thanks! H2O Man Nov 2019 #30
That is all fine and good, but the real problem right now is not trump, its his enablers Perseus Nov 2019 #20
Interesting. H2O Man Nov 2019 #31
Great essay, and lots of great replies coeur_de_lion Nov 2019 #24
He will be impeached. H2O Man Nov 2019 #32
Frankly, I don't think I care. malthaussen Nov 2019 #38
This past weekend, H2O Man Nov 2019 #39
Oh, but of course. malthaussen Nov 2019 #40
Oh, I study H2O Man Nov 2019 #41
Exactly. malthaussen Nov 2019 #42
Be careful! H2O Man Nov 2019 #43
Great post malaise Nov 2019 #44
Thank you! H2O Man Nov 2019 #45
Back at yah malaise Nov 2019 #46
Chairman Nadler just reapplied the pressure Hermit-The-Prog Nov 2019 #47
I really like Chairman Nadler. H2O Man Nov 2019 #49
any ideas on what may happen inside WH over this part? Hermit-The-Prog Nov 2019 #50
Just wait till he's "exonerated" by the Senate. Kablooie Nov 2019 #51
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