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21. Fortunately, our leaders are smart enough not to follow Tribe's really bad suggestion
Mon Dec 9, 2019, 08:23 AM
Dec 2019

First, even Tribe isn't proposing that the House formally adopt articles of impeachment and then sit on them. Instead, he is saying the House should NOT impeach, but should adopt a "Sense of the House" resolution declaring Trump guilty of impeachable offenses. He thinks that would be stronger than censure and would keep the Senate from acquitting Trump. He's wrong. A "Sense of the House" resolution in lieu of actually voting on impeachment articles would be even more toothless than censure and would rightly be portrayed in the media (and crowed about by the Republicans) as a retreat by the Democrats from fulfilling what we have been claiming is a Constitutional imperative. And it would simply tee up the Senate to propose its own competing Sense of the Senate resolution saying Trump isn't guilty of impeachable offenses. It would, in other words, be both a massive public relations disaster and a huge waste of time.

Second,even if the House wanted to actually impeach but sit on the articles, it faces the following obstacle: historically (and procedurally), the next step after the House votes articles of impeachment is the adoption of a resolution directing the naming of managers for the Senate trial and the delivery of the articles to the Senate. Such a resolution is, in House parlance, considered "privileged" -- meaning it must be immediately considered. There would have to be a roll call vote regarding the resolution, even if it was just a vote on motion to 'table' the resolution. That would force House Democrats, who had just voted to impeach, to go on record as opposing sending the articles to the Senate. Again, this unprecedented move would be a public relations and political disaster -- the media would point out that this has never been done and the Republicans would pound away at the message that the Democrats lack the courage of their convictions, want to deny Trump his "day in court", and have been engaged in a sham process.

Fortunately, however, Pelosi is much smarter about these things than Tribe. Having given her public blessing to the adoption of Articles of Impeachment and having cited the House's constitutional responsibility to hoo so, she's not going to allow that process to be derailed by a silly Sense of the House approach.

why try evertonfc Dec 2019 #1
Politically this may be the best strategy, but I doubt it will happen. RDANGELO Dec 2019 #2
John Dean and Conway (Kellyanne's husband).... magicarpet Dec 2019 #3
I'm not a legal eagle, but this sounds pretty smart to me. 3catwoman3 Dec 2019 #4
Merrick Garland in reverse! I'm liking the idea! lastlib Dec 2019 #5
He's offucially moosewhisperer Dec 2019 #6
makes perfect sense AlexSFCA Dec 2019 #7
Not sure I get it. If it never goes to the Senate...would Laura PourMeADrink Dec 2019 #8
Yes, he will be impeached by the House. Sogo Dec 2019 #9
No, talking about if we do not send to Laura PourMeADrink Dec 2019 #13
Then he'd better read the Constitution malaise Dec 2019 #18
Hey. Must not be asking my question very clearly. Laura PourMeADrink Dec 2019 #22
Yes (1) happens malaise Dec 2019 #23
One Note explains below Laura PourMeADrink Dec 2019 #25
Just impeach and keep investigating greymattermom Dec 2019 #26
Impeach! Nasruddin Dec 2019 #10
Yes, exactly renate Dec 2019 #14
Perfect...this is what Dems need to do. Farmer-Rick Dec 2019 #29
Maybe he still thinks that, but this piece was in June -- so, pre-Ukraine scandal. nt pnwmom Dec 2019 #11
Couldn't the Senate just decide to try him anyway? Kablooie Dec 2019 #12
I don't. think the Senate can do that. For a trial, wnylib Dec 2019 #15
No. But they could adopt a Sense of the Senate resolution finding that he didn't commit onenote Dec 2019 #30
Giving traitors an easy out? ecstatic Dec 2019 #16
Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2019 #17
ABC reported that Tribe was working with Congressional Dems this weekend wishstar Dec 2019 #19
Bad idea dansolo Dec 2019 #20
Bingo. CaptainTruth Dec 2019 #27
Fortunately, our leaders are smart enough not to follow Tribe's really bad suggestion onenote Dec 2019 #21
All THIS. + 1,000,000 n/t MFGsunny Dec 2019 #24
Yes, yes, & yes. CaptainTruth Dec 2019 #28
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