The rule change would be WHETHER the Senate waits for a referral to begin a trial (Reply #57)

In the discussion thread: Speaker Pelosi ties up Mitch in a knot with his own rules [View all]

Thu Dec 19, 2019, 02:45 PM

FBaggins (24,509 posts)

57. The rule change would be WHETHER the Senate waits for a referral to begin a trial

The existing rule is "when this happens". You cannot extend that to "UNLESS this happens".

But that isn't going to happen. Schumer will negotiate and Pelosi will use this to lend him some ammo... but the Senate rules will be partisan (just like Republicans thought that the House rules were). McConnell will likely take his time (and have plenty of closed-door 'negotiations' attended only by Republicans) and then we'll all point out the obvious (that the rules are not capable of delivering justice).

Then what?

If the thought is that Pelosi will have the power to say "then you can't hold a trial" or that Roberts will stay away... you're on something that I hope you have a prescription for or are willing to share. Because it's some powerful stuff.

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99 replies	Author	Time	Post
Speaker Pelosi ties up Mitch in a knot with his own rules [View all]	StarfishSaver	Dec 2019	OP
Good OP, however, we should leave the 'gangster' stuff on trump.	empedocles	Dec 2019	#1
+1. "Gangster" or "gangsta" is a positive only in a perverse universe. Best not to go there. . . .nt	Bernardo de La Paz	Dec 2019	#7
The only thing worse of course is Stein voters particularly those who voted for her or gasp maybe	Demsrule86	Dec 2019	#20
I agree.	mgardener	Dec 2019	#37
And if the Senate changes their rule on this?	intrepidity	Dec 2019	#2
+1. Moscow Mitch can change any Senate rule with 51 votes	dalton99a	Dec 2019	#3
How would a rule change affect when Pelosi refers the Articles to the Senate?	StarfishSaver	Dec 2019	#8
The rule change would be WHETHER the Senate waits for a referral to begin a trial	FBaggins	Dec 2019	#57
Moscow Mitch likes being majority leader	Hermit-The-Prog	Dec 2019	#61
And Pelosi likes being Speaker	FBaggins	Dec 2019	#62
pick a spot for your goalposts, please	Hermit-The-Prog	Dec 2019	#63
I don't agree with that at all	NJCher	Dec 2019	#82
I assume if it is 50/50 then	Iliyah	Dec 2019	#52
Sure... but if it's 50/50 the rule negotiation will go our way	FBaggins	Dec 2019	#60
The Senate can change its rules, but it can't change House rules or make the House do anything	StarfishSaver	Dec 2019	#4
I suppose they could adopt a rule that doesn't require a House referral	Shrek	Dec 2019	#14
Starting a trial without any House managers would so clearly be a show trial, it would be a joke	StarfishSaver	Dec 2019	#19
It's already a show trial.	TommyCelt	Dec 2019	#32
It's a show trial. But it's a trial	StarfishSaver	Dec 2019	#34
So what?	jberryhill	Dec 2019	#41
The "what" is not that Pelosi's trying to get them to agree to anything in particular	StarfishSaver	Dec 2019	#53
I think she has something very specific in mind	FBaggins	Dec 2019	#79
The concern is Nancy is ASKING Moscow Traitor Mitch how he intends to proceed.	Eliot Rosewater	Dec 2019	#28
You don't think Pelosi knows this about Mitch?	StarfishSaver	Dec 2019	#33
I am the biggest fan of Nancy Pelosi on this site, or there is NO bigger fan and my	Eliot Rosewater	Dec 2019	#50
Moscow Mitch is reachable	Hermit-The-Prog	Dec 2019	#59
Trump's	DENVERPOPS	Dec 2019	#68
I don't think he can change the rules that trigger the stial. That's part of the Constitution.	napi21	Dec 2019	#91
Nancy "OG" Pelosi	CanonRay	Dec 2019	#5
Badass is	Mme. Defarge	Dec 2019	#6
It must take a long time...	stillcool	Dec 2019	#9
Of course, Moscow Mitch could try to change the rules at any time	Fiendish Thingy	Dec 2019	#10
This	StarfishSaver	Dec 2019	#70
She knows her stuff	mcar	Dec 2019	#11
NEVER forget that Nancy D'Alessandro Pelosi was born and raised in Baltimore.	TygrBright	Dec 2019	#12
so, now that we have him on two articles why not add some, I'm sure they can come up with a few	yaesu	Dec 2019	#13
I was thinking that the other day.	LakeArenal	Dec 2019	#51
I'm no scholar, but i did stay at a holiday inn express last night 😋 nt	yaesu	Dec 2019	#58
That should've been a commercial.	LakeArenal	Dec 2019	#80
This is the best thing I've heard of in a long time. Love Democratic hardball.	somaticexperiencing	Dec 2019	#15
brilliant lady	marieo1	Dec 2019	#16
"Gangster" or "gangsta" is slang and in today's parlance it's a compliment...	brush	Dec 2019	#38
You're right, but I edited it out because it's just not worth the distraction	StarfishSaver	Dec 2019	#71
Yeah I'm sorry about that	ismnotwasm	Dec 2019	#75
No worries.	StarfishSaver	Dec 2019	#81
a story about gangsta'	NJCher	Dec 2019	#84
That's such a sweet story!	StarfishSaver	Dec 2019	#86
Let's not forget January 2019.	Delmette2.0	Dec 2019	#17
The puzzle is so large we tend to cubbhole the moving parts	bucolic_frolic	Dec 2019	#21
I like your subject line.	Delmette2.0	Dec 2019	#24
I'm so glad we have her on our side. Pity the fools going up against her.	IronLionZion	Dec 2019	#18
So proud of her, and	Scarsdale	Dec 2019	#22
True	StarfishSaver	Dec 2019	#23
Yep	empedocles	Dec 2019	#25
I had been despondent, thinking this was going to be Mueller II	Mr. Ected	Dec 2019	#26
Yep, she out maneuvered Barr with her quick strike for impeachment,...	brush	Dec 2019	#40
Who's down with NDP?!?	spicysista	Dec 2019	#27
Pelosi La Grande -- making sure there's nothing McConnell's Do-Nothing Senate CAN do.	ancianita	Dec 2019	#29
Going against the grain here, I dont think this is a good idea.	oldsoftie	Dec 2019	#30
"optics" kinda flew out the window a while back	Nature Man	Dec 2019	#35
Whatever they Faux Snooze say, a big majority in polls want to see a Fair trial.	Lock him up.	Dec 2019	#42
Regardless of political views, Americans all understand the word fair	DeminPennswoods	Dec 2019	#54
And since Mitch has been crowing for weeks that he had no intention of being fair	StarfishSaver	Dec 2019	#72
Yep	DeminPennswoods	Dec 2019	#78
I agree. Sitting on the impeachment charges instead of sending them	hughee99	Dec 2019	#66
This message was self-deleted by its author	oldsoftie	Dec 2019	#31
I could see Mcturtle change the rules to get the House to submit it's managers THEN	bluestarone	Dec 2019	#36
Yes	jberryhill	Dec 2019	#43
He needs 51 votes and that cheating would be too obvious.	Lock him up.	Dec 2019	#45
At this point i don't think any of them	bluestarone	Dec 2019	#47
Maybe that's true, or not.	Lock him up.	Dec 2019	#48
I don't necessarily agree	StarfishSaver	Dec 2019	#73
See your point for sure	bluestarone	Dec 2019	#74
Rep Blumenauer, D-OR, last night with Lawrence O..	asiliveandbreathe	Dec 2019	#39
Be a shame if the Senate trial had to happen in the middle of the '20 Republican National Convention	TlalocW	Dec 2019	#44
This story is not about DT	Viz	Dec 2019	#46
MSNBC correspondent mins ago:	Duppers	Dec 2019	#49
Saying FAIR is enough	DeminPennswoods	Dec 2019	#55
Thanks for posting this very informative post. If Moscow Mitch can play a game, so can the ...	SWBTATTReg	Dec 2019	#56
Excellent post	Stinky The Clown	Dec 2019	#64
Can't McConnell just ignore the entire thing?	Renew Deal	Dec 2019	#65
If Moscow Mitch can refuse Obama his rightful Supreme Court nominee....	mudstump	Dec 2019	#67
To those who say a woman can't beat Trump -- Pelosi does it almost every day!	OMGWTF	Dec 2019	#69
Experience we can trust! NANCY PELOSI ROCKS!!! She knows what she's doing!	NurseJackie	Dec 2019	#76
I'm in total agreement	JustAnotherGen	Dec 2019	#77
My husband's grandmother was friendly with the Pelosis for decades	Aquaria	Dec 2019	#83
Cool!	StarfishSaver	Dec 2019	#85
Sweet!!	Pepsidog	Dec 2019	#87
A late post	PJMcK	Dec 2019	#88
I loved that!	Upthevibe	Dec 2019	#89
Trump cant be acquitted if they never send them to the senate.	pwb	Dec 2019	#90
Wow, she is brilliant! So inspiring!	BlancheSplanchnik	Dec 2019	#92
When you've become so accustomed to your cheating succeeding you're dumbfounded, huh?	czarjak	Dec 2019	#93
Mexican standoff!	Aussie105	Dec 2019	#94
Trump-Takers, stand strong now, the "I alone can fix it" dude is gonna need you more than ever.	czarjak	Dec 2019	#95
Yes, just hold them until Mitch gives in.	honest.abe	Dec 2019	#96
I must say,	Joinfortmill	Dec 2019	#97
Yes Indeed!	cheezmaka	Dec 2019	#98
THIS TIME, Pelosi is getting it right.	Eyeball_Kid	Dec 2019	#99

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