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CozyMystery

(652 posts)
69. I don't think the real Melania exists any more
Fri Dec 27, 2019, 05:35 AM
Dec 2019

She has been married to a malignant narcissist for a long time. She does what he tells her to do.

She may not even realize how much he has destroyed her soul. If she does realize that, then there must be a lot of things he is holding over her to keep her in line. At that point, her decisions boil down to what is best for someone else in the long run (due to the narcissist's power over those people's lives) -- probably her child and her parents -- and it no longer matters what is best for her.

No, I don't like her, based on what I see. But I do think there is something dreadfully wrong in her relationship with tRump. Maybe she knowingly sold her soul to the devil. Or maybe it was too late by the time she realized it.

That speech she gave where she plagiarized Michelle Obama was like a red flag to me. I doubt she wrote the speech or that she knew parts of it had been plagiarized. She trusted whoever was behind that ploy, and they were intending to humiliate her.

That's what I think because a narcissist did that to me one, back when I trusted him. That event had nothing to do with plagiarism, but it reeks of the same tactics I think may have been used on Melania.

I would hate to be Melania. It must be like living in a family of pit vipers. I really don't think any of us know enough about her to determine whether she, too, is a pit viper. Maybe I identify too closely with being married to a narcissist. That certainly means my opinion is biased.

Most of all, I think we have no idea of what Melania's motives are in anything she has done. We can make stuff up in our heads about her, but that does not mean what we surmise or opine is the truth.

Take that cheap coat she wore (i don't care, do you?). Do you really think she hunted for a cheap coat to buy that said those words? That is ludicrous to me. She was presented with the coat and told to wear it. We don't know whether she wanted to wear it or hated it. We won't know, either, because (IMO) Melania has been set up to be another tRump brand.

One thing I taught my kids, learned from my experiences, is to beware of people who make stuff up in their heads about anyone, and to be vigilant that they are not doing it themselves. People should consult the person they are attacking or (rarely) supporting, to make sure it is true. The target person is the only person who knows why s/he does things. And there doesn't have to be just one reason or motive for doing something -- sometimes there are several reasons.

I have known people who have done that to me. Said to me that my motive for doing something unselfish for the other person was just to get something for myself. And then not believing me when I stated otherwise, even when they benefited greatly from my actions. The good that came out of it for me was ancillary and not sought out by me. A happenstance. It was never the motive. Trouble is, when one makes stuff up in their heads about someone else, they cannot be budged when their target disputes it.

People who are famous, since I have never met any of them, are just brands. Much of the public information about them is either supportive of their brands, or not. It has nothing to do with the person they are in private. We can look at their behavior, past and present ... at their actions, to determine whether we believe what we see and hear. But always, we must realize in some small corner of our minds, that even the best among us may be performing the behaviors, the actions, in support of their brand.

I could think someone is a Very Good Person, then get to know them personally, and they get mad and throw a stapler at me. That one action would make me change my mind about their VGP designation.

All people are human, all make mistakes, have misguided motives, do bad things, think bad things, say bad things. It does not make sense to villify or celebrate someone completely, unless you really, truly know them in real life. Or unless they have done something so terribly evil that all bets are off because we know it when we see it. Same thing happens the other way - they can do something so wonderful that we don't care about their human failings.

I think Melania is not important in the grand scheme of politics in our country. What she wears, what she says, how she appears to be is of zero consequence. Those who adore her are tRumpers. I spent time on FR reading their comments about Michelle Obama, who appears to be a Very Good Person (I do not know her personally), and I was sickened by them all. I don't think that we should waste our time being like FReepers.

I said before that I don't like Melania -- her actions, her words, her sense of fashion are all included in that. If I had complete information about the situation she is in, my opinion might change in either direction. Meanwhile, I stand by my words -- she is not important.

What could she possibly have seen in Trump? guillaumeb Dec 2019 #1
A green card. LakeArenal Dec 2019 #3
and I'm sure the money SCantiGOP Dec 2019 #5
Exactly. guillaumeb Dec 2019 #7
Yep, exactly!!! n/t RKP5637 Dec 2019 #9
Lots of moolah? Ohiogal Dec 2019 #25
And given that Trump lies about everything, guillaumeb Dec 2019 #26
She and her husband just are not pleasant people. Ohiogal Dec 2019 #35
+1000 smirkymonkey Dec 2019 #93
Both approached marriage as a business deal. guillaumeb Dec 2019 #118
She's a gold digger? ooky Dec 2019 #57
She's hanging in for the pre-nup and hoping for a heart attack. brush Dec 2019 #61
No she doesn't mcar Dec 2019 #2
Right, nice person my ass njhoneybadger Dec 2019 #53
I forgot that she was into the birther thing too Proud Liberal Dem Dec 2019 #106
Because nice people visit children caged by their husbands wearing a jacket saying they don't care. onecaliberal Dec 2019 #4
That was so fucking awful. Kath2 Dec 2019 #6
Wha???? LakeArenal Dec 2019 #8
She is a heartless bitch. Kath2 Dec 2019 #12
Amen to that! BigmanPigman Dec 2019 #36
The fact she married him in the first place says all you need to know about her. RockRaven Dec 2019 #10
She looks like she's the star in a hostage video, but she lost me completely with that stunt... Hekate Dec 2019 #11
She.is.a.trump.by.choice. Mazeltov Cocktail Dec 2019 #13
Don't be fooled, she's a "birther" just like her husband. VOX Dec 2019 #14
She is such an asshole. Kath2 Dec 2019 #16
Gold plated. VOX Dec 2019 #20
THIS... Me. Dec 2019 #21
Seriously? A birther seems like a nice person? How? 50 Shades Of Blue Dec 2019 #15
I really think she id a rich, obnoxious bitch. Kath2 Dec 2019 #18
Wow, you used that word twice in the same thread. cwydro Dec 2019 #80
She is a terrible person. madaboutharry Dec 2019 #17
She sucks. Kath2 Dec 2019 #19
good thread Kurt V. Dec 2019 #22
LOL. Kath2 Dec 2019 #23
+1 Kurt V. Dec 2019 #24
And what exactly would lead to believe that she is 'nice'. She is in on the whole god damn thing.nt UniteFightBack Dec 2019 #27
I fucking hate her. And Trump. Kath2 Dec 2019 #28
She's a birther. greatauntoftriplets Dec 2019 #29
She is so fucking weird. Kath2 Dec 2019 #30
That family has no redeeming qualities. greatauntoftriplets Dec 2019 #38
Agree 100%. Kath2 Dec 2019 #39
The only thing that would be nice about Melania .... CatMor Dec 2019 #31
I would love for her to go public about what an asshole he is. Kath2 Dec 2019 #33
Yes, that would be good .... CatMor Dec 2019 #43
She fucked up. Kath2 Dec 2019 #45
She can't. It would violate her prenup, I bet. Unlike the Ilsa Dec 2019 #115
? Skittles Dec 2019 #32
She seems a plastic person. Kath2 Dec 2019 #34
Post removed Post removed Dec 2019 #37
OP seems to have started the thread simply to use a gender based slur. cwydro Dec 2019 #84
Mmm-hmm jberryhill Dec 2019 #94
Rather revealing, imo. cwydro Dec 2019 #96
not sure how this is gender-based Skittles Dec 2019 #119
Huh? Not to me. Goodheart Dec 2019 #40
"Seems" as in looks and talks nice. Kath2 Dec 2019 #41
This is a Slovenian sex worker who pretends to be a model. Farmer-Rick Dec 2019 #42
I think she she sucks. Kath2 Dec 2019 #44
Some folks are offended by an insult which only applies to women jberryhill Dec 2019 #50
When you're right, you're right. marble falls Dec 2019 #59
I've used it to describe some men PatSeg Dec 2019 #60
Especially repeating it over and over unnecessarily. MrsCoffee Dec 2019 #76
Seems to be the point jberryhill Dec 2019 #95
Doing it in other threads too. MrsCoffee Dec 2019 #117
Curious, isn't it? cwydro Dec 2019 #113
As our beloved First Lady might say, sammythecat Dec 2019 #120
That poster has used the word three times in this thread. cwydro Dec 2019 #82
No! N/T Big Blue Marble Dec 2019 #46
She has all the warmth of a broken water heater. Marie Marie Dec 2019 #47
Stupid little rich girl. Kath2 Dec 2019 #48
I really don't care do u? CanonRay Dec 2019 #49
Said no one ever. gibraltar72 Dec 2019 #51
'nice person' keithbvadu2 Dec 2019 #52
I don't care do you? jcgoldie Dec 2019 #54
No, she's not nice at all. RandySF Dec 2019 #55
Yup, she's birther too DesertRat Dec 2019 #58
Yup 💯 live love laugh Dec 2019 #66
I read this entire thread lunatica Dec 2019 #56
Very astute observation nt live love laugh Dec 2019 #67
Right? MrsCoffee Dec 2019 #81
I was wondering the same thing. OP seems to love using a slur typically used against women. cwydro Dec 2019 #83
It's a puzzler this one jberryhill Dec 2019 #98
I see her as a high paying marlakay Dec 2019 #62
Nice? Not really. nt tblue37 Dec 2019 #63
No she doesn't seem likeca nice person. Demsrule86 Dec 2019 #64
Melanie pushed the birther garbage like her husband, a vile creature. sarcasmo Dec 2019 #65
That' strange... Mike Nelson Dec 2019 #68
I don't think the real Melania exists any more CozyMystery Dec 2019 #69
Your post is long, and I read every word - twice Rorey Dec 2019 #86
I am ecstatic to know that the real "Rorey" still exists Rorey Dec 2019 #89
You give me hope CozyMystery Dec 2019 #121
Be strong Rorey Dec 2019 #122
She's as phony and mean-spirited as the rest of the Trumps lanlady Dec 2019 #70
I'm reminded of pressbox69 Dec 2019 #71
Nice? She's a racist and Birther.. HipChick Dec 2019 #72
mrs. trump spanone Dec 2019 #73
Some people like cold toilet seats in the winter, too. LuckyCharms Dec 2019 #74
She's not. Act_of_Reparation Dec 2019 #75
I'm sorry...but... TruckFump Dec 2019 #77
I haven't felt she was a nice person since her "I really don't care. . ." jacket fiasco. Arkansas Granny Dec 2019 #78
Melania Trump is an opportunist. Freethinker65 Dec 2019 #79
. WhiskeyGrinder Dec 2019 #85
Is she Putins spy? pwb Dec 2019 #87
BINGO! Zoonart Dec 2019 #91
What??? Nice??? I have never seen any sign of that at all in her. lark Dec 2019 #88
I think they've always deserved each other Rorey Dec 2019 #90
Sorry, I don't see anything "nice" about her. (nt) Paladin Dec 2019 #92
You are kidding, right? Freedomofspeech Dec 2019 #97
Read the OP's comments throughout the thread, and perhaps you'll be as confused as some of us. cwydro Dec 2019 #100
She is just as nice as her despicable Freedomofspeech Dec 2019 #107
No quibble with that; just a bit confused as to the purpose of the OP. cwydro Dec 2019 #108
Me, too!!! Freedomofspeech Dec 2019 #111
She is about as warm, caring, and compassionate as a Barbie doll... magicarpet Dec 2019 #99
This is flame bait bullshit tenderfoot Dec 2019 #101
I don' know winetourdriver01 Dec 2019 #102
a nice person would slit her own wrists before allowing THAT rampartc Dec 2019 #103
Honest question tazkcmo Dec 2019 #104
She doesn't really seem like a nice person to me Proud Liberal Dem Dec 2019 #105
This means her PR people have been somewhat effective. dewsgirl Dec 2019 #109
Bwahhhaaahhhaaaahhhhaaaa! Bwahhhaaahhhaaaahhhhaaaa! Bwahhhaaahhhaaaahhhhaaaa! sdfernando Dec 2019 #110
I used to counsel domestic violence victims. She has all the classic symptoms of DV. secondwind Dec 2019 #112
I wouldn't give her cpr. Ilsa Dec 2019 #114
She is absolutely NOT a nice person. LiberalFighter Dec 2019 #116
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