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bluescribbler

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66. I have a similar story
Tue Apr 7, 2020, 10:08 AM
Apr 2020

I n 1972, I was serving aboard a DLG, (Guided Missile Frigate), somewhere in the Gulf of Tonkin. Our skipper was a young CDR, (Commander), who had come directly to us from the staff of the CNO. All reports indicated that he was on track for bigger things. Some details are hazy, we may have been at Yankee Station doing planeguard operations with a carrier, we may have been at North SAR, (Sea Air Rescue), acting as advance warning for any enemy coming to attack the carriers operating south of us, or we may have been on the Gun Line, conducting NGFS, (Naval Gunfire Support, for all you landlubbers). Any way, we received word that the CNO, Admiral Elmo Zumwalt, planned to visit the ship. Morale aboard the ship was not high, and this only made things worse. Theere was already a bit of a divide among the crew between the career enlisted and the younger sailors. The older vets fully supported the war effort and the President. The younger sailors were more skeptical But even the career enlisteds were grumbling about having to prepare for an Admiral's inspection given the circumstances of our deployment Now that I think about it, it seems more likely that we were on the Gun Line, because that put us on Port and Starboard GQ watches, with fire missions often coming without much warning. Anyway, the grumbling eventually made its way to the Captains ears and after some deliberation, perhaps in consultation with his senior officers, he sent a message that the CNO's visit would not be appropriate. CNO never came to visit.
Later still, he sent a message to Washington requesting a visit to Australia, New Zealand, and Pago Pago as we returned to the USA. Permission was duly granted. Again there was much grumbling, mostly because our deployment had already been extended for a month, and this would have extended further another 40 days, with only 10 days in port. The crew mostly wanted to get back to their families. One shipmate, in particular, was anxious to meet his newborn child. Before the final decision was made and orders were disseminated, the Captain decided to poll the crew. Many of the older vets were unhappy about this. "I don't remember taking a vote on whether to go to the gun line", I heard one PO1 say. I forget what the actual numbers were, but the crew voted overwhelmingly to forego the side trip, and to go straight home. In announcing the result, the Captain said, "If I add my 400 votes, which as Captain I can do, we would go to Australia. However, I won't do that. I understand the sentiment of the crew. I think you're making a big mistake, missing out on an opportunity, but I won't force the issue."
I often wonder what became of him. Did he remain on the fast track for promotion, or did these incidents sideline his career?

Of course all Democrats. GOP just means greedy old prevaricators. BlancheSplanchnik Apr 2020 #1
Yep. Greedy Old Prevaricators. calimary Apr 2020 #71
Ha!, yes. Putzes!!! BlancheSplanchnik Apr 2020 #77
I think a Navy Secretary sarisataka Apr 2020 #2
I am a Navy Vet Chainfire Apr 2020 #5
He just cost the Navy a bunch of reenlistments, I bet. nt tblue37 Apr 2020 #10
And first time recruits MustLoveBeagles Apr 2020 #47
*XO denbot Apr 2020 #16
Best Comment I heard Roy Rolling Apr 2020 #44
Yea, I served in the tin cans too Chainfire Apr 2020 #64
I am also a Navy Vet bluescribbler Apr 2020 #60
Hmmm Chainfire Apr 2020 #76
good Lucinda Apr 2020 #3
I'm hoping some DUers with military experience can chime in. MelissaB Apr 2020 #4
There is a process to discipline anyone who beaks the rules in the Navy, Captains included Chainfire Apr 2020 #8
Well said. n/t EndlessWire Apr 2020 #37
Actually, I *do* have a partly analogous story, re: the brute force response of some top brass. UTUSN Apr 2020 #13
When he stopped by did he steal the strawberries? grantcart Apr 2020 #14
I'm not through. You might be moved when I am. I have to Post because sometimes the text disappears UTUSN Apr 2020 #17
I understand will look for the conclusion. grantcart Apr 2020 #19
Will return later... Hekate Apr 2020 #23
Replying to find later nt Midnightwalk Apr 2020 #31
Ah. Thanks for the reference. Had to look it up. I'm not well versed. UTUSN Apr 2020 #56
Waiting with bated breath for the next part. What you have written so far has been an erronis Apr 2020 #36
Thanks, but guess what. A Vietnam vet of the Army persuasion, when I told him this story, UTUSN Apr 2020 #41
write it dweller Apr 2020 #55
I have a similar story bluescribbler Apr 2020 #66
So the skipper sided with the crew? ZUMWALT was fairly popular, let beards be grown (all I can think UTUSN Apr 2020 #68
Beards weren't all. bluescribbler Apr 2020 #69
Yea, the personal lifestyle loosening of the rules, but I don't know what big systemic things he did UTUSN Apr 2020 #72
Also got his son killed bluescribbler Apr 2020 #74
There's an underlying hint here zipplewrath Apr 2020 #30
And you don't become captain of an mountain grammy Apr 2020 #34
More so zipplewrath Apr 2020 #35
Exactly.. mountain grammy Apr 2020 #45
Yup zipplewrath Apr 2020 #48
Don't have a link but saw he is a descendant of The real Teddy R.? If so, UTUSN Apr 2020 #52
My guess is he wasn't looking forward to writing letters to parents MaryMagdaline Apr 2020 #59
Yes. Dump the sycophant stooge. lpbk2713 Apr 2020 #6
tRump saw the cheers from the crew for their captain and he lost his shit... cynatnite Apr 2020 #7
These Republicans are soooo thankful McCain isn't still here. DENVERPOPS Apr 2020 #33
He would've been spitting nails that's for sure MustLoveBeagles Apr 2020 #50
You can use any of the transcript comments or see the 250,000 signatures over at Change.Org ffr Apr 2020 #9
WTF. All these kiss ass enablers are there for 1 thing. To destroy the agency they are representing Evolve Dammit Apr 2020 #11
A man who would fight and die for this country in war gibraltar72 Apr 2020 #12
VoteVets wants this asshole fired Gothmog Apr 2020 #15
Here's the full statement from the VoteVets website: scarletwoman Apr 2020 #20
He's a punk. lpbk2713 Apr 2020 #22
Thank you for posting this Gothmog Apr 2020 #24
You're welcome! I had the page saved because I wanted to post it - I was glad you gave me scarletwoman Apr 2020 #26
Oh, boy. Even the veterans are angry as hell. crickets Apr 2020 #27
You bet we're angry. Haggis for Breakfast Apr 2020 #46
Oh- My GOD! That sound clip HAS to get out there! James48 Apr 2020 #57
I believe that audio file has been successfully disseminated quite widely already, scarletwoman Apr 2020 #67
1. Fire that shithead Modly. Paladin Apr 2020 #18
"All Democrats, naturally." Well the Republicans take their marching orders from Russia these days cstanleytech Apr 2020 #21
Why No Republicans??? wildcats75 Apr 2020 #25
Because they do not have Putins approval yet to come out against this action but just as soon as cstanleytech Apr 2020 #40
Modly is trying to ACT like a Navy Secretary, and is Failing Absolute Kelvin Apr 2020 #28
no, he is performing for Trump Skittles Apr 2020 #39
Another arrogant republican SOB. CentralMass Apr 2020 #29
Got to go RayStar Apr 2020 #32
This is just part of appointing political commissars to oversea federal agencies and military erronis Apr 2020 #38
I listened to that today... stillcool Apr 2020 #42
Other aspect of this I haven't seen mentioned: The combat readiness of the Roosevelt sarge43 Apr 2020 #43
Rotations have already been canceled zipplewrath Apr 2020 #49
I understand stateside rotations have been put on hold. sarge43 Apr 2020 #51
Thanks for this... agreed. Baked Potato Apr 2020 #53
You're welcome. sarge43 Apr 2020 #54
Give Modly Hell! yuiyoshida Apr 2020 #58
This is important on so many levels. Thanks to all!! BeckyDem Apr 2020 #61
This asshole was ordered to apologize Gothmog Apr 2020 #62
Blah, blah, blah. They can't even get people to adhere to a legally issued subpoena. Firestorm49 Apr 2020 #63
Navy's rage is building up ck4829 Apr 2020 #75
Like every other decision from the Trump administration Chainfire Apr 2020 #65
How 'bout giving his job to Captain Crozier? calimary Apr 2020 #70
WAS he STUPID or CARELESS by Letting this leak to the media? Cozmo Apr 2020 #73
And he's gone malaise Apr 2020 #78
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