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In reply to the discussion: Why Ron Paul attracts some liberals. [View all]I still don't see a racist quote from him.
I'm not saying I agree with the guy on any or all issues, but I believe in being honest and fair.
I haven't seen any proof of Ron Paul's supposed racism. I've seen innuendo and conjecture, but no proof. Without that, I'm not going to join in in calling the man a racist. Every repub candidate, btw, as well as Obama, has been called racist.
From what you've posted above, I'll say I surely don't agree with Paul's stance on workplace harassment protections - but I see his view. I can see where he's coming from without agreeing with him. I see him coming from his idea of limited government and individual freedom. He is coming from an extreme free-market ideology. Not sexism. I don't see sexism here.
I don't see the remarks about the caucuses in congress as racist, but coming from his idea of freedom and equality - if one group can do something, why can't every group? Again, I see his logic, where he is coming from. I don't believe he is coming from a racist view.
As far as the AIDS research opposition, I don't find it to be homophobic, but more based on his views of limited government. AIDS doesn't affect just homosexuals. My guess is he would respond the same way to other diseases as well. Again, I disagree with him here, but I see where he is coming from and I don't believe it is from a bias against gays.
My entire presence in this thread isn't to defend Ron Paul but is based on my desire to be fair and honest, because without that, what do any of us have?
If Ron Paul is a racist then it shouldn't be too hard to find quotes by him that are clearly racist. He's certainly not shy about speaking his mind. As I said, I've yet to see any.
I'm not saying I agree with the guy on any or all issues, but I believe in being honest and fair.
I haven't seen any proof of Ron Paul's supposed racism. I've seen innuendo and conjecture, but no proof. Without that, I'm not going to join in in calling the man a racist. Every repub candidate, btw, as well as Obama, has been called racist.
From what you've posted above, I'll say I surely don't agree with Paul's stance on workplace harassment protections - but I see his view. I can see where he's coming from without agreeing with him. I see him coming from his idea of limited government and individual freedom. He is coming from an extreme free-market ideology. Not sexism. I don't see sexism here.
I don't see the remarks about the caucuses in congress as racist, but coming from his idea of freedom and equality - if one group can do something, why can't every group? Again, I see his logic, where he is coming from. I don't believe he is coming from a racist view.
As far as the AIDS research opposition, I don't find it to be homophobic, but more based on his views of limited government. AIDS doesn't affect just homosexuals. My guess is he would respond the same way to other diseases as well. Again, I disagree with him here, but I see where he is coming from and I don't believe it is from a bias against gays.
My entire presence in this thread isn't to defend Ron Paul but is based on my desire to be fair and honest, because without that, what do any of us have?
If Ron Paul is a racist then it shouldn't be too hard to find quotes by him that are clearly racist. He's certainly not shy about speaking his mind. As I said, I've yet to see any.
...you've just dimissed every charge against Paul in one sweeping justification.
Despite his lame claim about the newsletters he profited from, his own writings, statements by people who are close to him (his campaign manager said he isn't anti-war; another former ally said he refuse to use a gay man's toilet), nothing in your view earns Paul criticism.
His views on AIDS, sexual harrassment, blacks, gays, etc., are all dismissed because you believe in being "honest and fair."
Tell me, do you dismiss his views on Social Security, Medicare and health care just as easily?
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I kinda put some blame Kucinich for giving Paul some legitimacy to the far left in 2008
PeaceNikki
Jan 2012
#1
Grayson and/or Kennedy didn't literally, to my knowledge, say they'd pick Paul as a running mate.
PeaceNikki
Jan 2012
#79
Whatever, Democrats respect the man, that was my point. If he's such a Hitler or whatever
sabrina 1
Jan 2012
#85
"mired in low level, boring, unimportant, mean-spirited, schoolyard rhetoric"
joshcryer
Jan 2012
#134
You do understand that the US military empire exists mainly for the 1%, right?
eridani
Jan 2012
#158
Claiming to align with Ron Paul's position on international matters is either terrifying or ignorant
PeaceNikki
Jan 2012
#159
You nailed it. The attempt is to smear anyone who dare challenge War, War on Drugs as
Romulox
Jan 2012
#184
Ron Paul DOESN'T attract "liberals." He attracts myopic, single-issue bots.
ClassWarrior
Jan 2012
#2
The key point, however, is that DEMS could be attracting those single-issue bots instead...
ClassWarrior
Jan 2012
#7
True. So any Dem who is truly anti-war could walk away with those particular...
ClassWarrior
Jan 2012
#20
I'm saying Paul has managed to portray himself as more anti-war than his...
ClassWarrior
Jan 2012
#28
Regardless of how "he has been able to," it's obvious that taking a strong anti-war...
ClassWarrior
Jan 2012
#47
Forget Paul, he's not even a consideration here, so I don't get the obsession with him.
sabrina 1
Jan 2012
#81
The irony is did you know one the the earliest major online promoters of Paul
Blue_Tires
Jan 2012
#171
I don't see civil liberties as exactly the same as civil rights, though closely related.
TheKentuckian
Jan 2012
#51
I said as much though without civil liberties civil rights is just equal access to no rights.
TheKentuckian
Jan 2012
#176
Yes, and the OP thinks "ending the wars" is not as important as avoiding "trashing the economy."
joshcryer
Jan 2012
#112
I was speaking of your opinion of the OP who was the subject of your comment.
sabrina 1
Jan 2012
#117
Yes, if the question contains an accusation. Which is why I asked for clarification.
sabrina 1
Jan 2012
#139
Perhaps, people often do read more into things than is intended. Which is why I
sabrina 1
Jan 2012
#161
Well now you know that Madhound has been on DU for ten years is a longtime Democrat
sabrina 1
Jan 2012
#164
I watched Ronald Reagan using the same racist dog whistles to attract some "liberals", once
NNN0LHI
Jan 2012
#49
Great analysis. Some are obviously irked that you didn't chant "racist" after mentioning Paul's name
Skip Intro
Jan 2012
#63
But what does it matter whether it's based on personal racism or on 'limited government'?
LeftishBrit
Jan 2012
#89
Well, I am not even compelled to read a post unless there's info in the title.
joshcryer
Jan 2012
#83
His stance on war is much more in line with hard right isolationists of the 1930's and early 1940's
alcibiades_mystery
Jan 2012
#93
It went on for awhile, at least until the 50s-60s. We know Cuba was behind that sort of thing.
joshcryer
Jan 2012
#126
Paul exposes the fact that many Democrats *enthusiastically* (not reluctantly!) support War, War on
Romulox
Jan 2012
#95
Have you ever heard of the "Third Way" and the "New Democrat" movement??? It's EXACTLY what you
Romulox
Jan 2012
#185
You don't actually defend War, War on Drugs--instead you accuse anyone who holds these positions of
Romulox
Jan 2012
#186
Great post! Too bad your thoughtful observation will be lost in the din of invective
whatchamacallit
Jan 2012
#102
And Pat Buchanan attracts some liberals for his stance on free trade? I don't think so.
pampango
Jan 2012
#175
Um, NAFTA is loved by CATO, US Chamber of Commerce, Mitt Romney, et al. So what's your point?
Romulox
Jan 2012
#180
It's really not that hard to get. He's the only person talking about our foreign policy or the drug
Puregonzo1188
Jan 2012
#190