How many people do you propose to allow to suffocate to death of Covid 19 (Reply #34)

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Sat May 16, 2020, 03:13 PM

DBoon (21,506 posts)

34. How many people do you propose to allow to suffocate to death of Covid 19

as an acceptable cost of re-opening businesses? We already have over 85,000 deaths, how many more are ethically acceptable?

Any opening strategy will result in further spread of a deadly infection for which we have no effective treatment.

How many should be allowed to die? Would you be willing to be one of those? Why not? Is it because someone else's death is acceptable but not yours?

What do we say to the family and loved ones who died so the economy can open? Do the dead get a posthumous medal for their sacrifice, as we do with members of the military who give their lives for their country or do we just say "too bad, I'm alive and you aren't"?

The phrasing of the question as "under what conditions should businesses re-open" completely evades the ethical issue of killing tens of thousands of people in the process.

I find it absolutely horrific that we are speaking in these terms. I cannot believe we have come to this.

WE ARE ACCEPTING THE DEATH OF TENS OR HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF LIVING PEOPLE TO AVOID "A HUGE BURDEN ON SMALL BUSINESSES AND THE WORKING CLASS". WHAT KIND OF MORAL MONSTER CAN EVEN SUGGEST THIS?

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122 replies	Author	Time	Post
To those criticizing the re-opening of businesses and public spaces... [View all]	brooklynite	May 2020	OP
This describes exactly my sentiments.	onecaliberal	May 2020	#1
Are you therefore saying that we should remain closed indefinitely...	brooklynite	May 2020	#7
Post removed	Post removed	May 2020	#17
You don't get to choose when it is safe for me and my family.	onecaliberal	May 2020	#27
Yep, 100 % your decision.	MichMan	May 2020	#33
So long the selfishness of the money over life crowd is around that's how it will be.	onecaliberal	May 2020	#35
If people don't feel safe going out or working, no one is forcing them to.	MichMan	May 2020	#38
#34	onecaliberal	May 2020	#44
I imagine money will force them to go back to work.	Autumn	May 2020	#67
So that means they value money too.	MichMan	May 2020	#69
Nonsense. That has no bearing on my comment and is irrelevant. It takes money to survive,	Autumn	May 2020	#74
Maybe you should have the same empathy for business owners too?	MichMan	May 2020	#77
You don't know that I don't have empathy for business owners. I replied to your comment	Autumn	May 2020	#78
Great, you do you	democrattotheend	May 2020	#108
Experts say the US opened up too soon	JonLP24	May 2020	#111
Somehow I think Aids is different from Covid 19.	PoindexterOglethorpe	May 2020	#55
An lot of right-wingers love to make that comparison, though.	Mariana	May 2020	#117
Looks like the answer is zero deaths then.	MichMan	May 2020	#12
By its own implicit parameters, your argument then denies the original shut down as a good, yes?	LanternWaste	May 2020	#84
"Prophesize" is spelled with an s, not a c.	Tipperary	May 2020	#103
Easy to say when it's not YOUR business or job on the line	Calculating	May 2020	#68
My employer declared bankruptcy last week from being shut down	MichMan	May 2020	#71
If I were governor . . .	SharonClark	May 2020	#2
Testing? You're paying for tests?	Sukee	May 2020	#9
Cheaper Hand Sanitizer Is Less Effective?????	ProfessorGAC	May 2020	#30
Ohhhh, someone knows their product manufacturing chemistry.	Blue_true	May 2020	#50
It Would Never Have No Emolients	ProfessorGAC	May 2020	#61
I am no expert, but I do mix serums, and lotions for my intermediates.	Blue_true	May 2020	#66
Most Commercial Versions...	ProfessorGAC	May 2020	#90
I use emulsifying wax, Olivem 1000, Cetyl Alcohol and Sunflower Wax to set	Blue_true	May 2020	#107
Cetyl Alcohol Is Derived	ProfessorGAC	May 2020	#109
You have a lot of knowledge in this area.	Blue_true	May 2020	#110
Organic Physical Chemistry	ProfessorGAC	May 2020	#112
Exactly!!!!	Sukee	May 2020	#114
this is at least reasonable. Not what we're doing now... Just go take your chance.	onecaliberal	May 2020	#10
I'm old enough to seen more people than I can stand on their death bed.....	IowaGuy	May 2020	#3
Bravo!!!!!	Sukee	May 2020	#5
The strategy is to stay alive! Life over money!	Sukee	May 2020	#4
Thank you	onecaliberal	May 2020	#15
You would choose to stay closed, and allow others to choos to open.(?)	jmg257	May 2020	#26
I am all for those who want to test the waters first, because	Sukee	May 2020	#115
Sounds like a plan! Let em dip their toes in 1st!	jmg257	May 2020	#116
I approve of opening things up slowly and seeing how they go	DrToast	May 2020	#6
Look to the states who are planning phased,	murielm99	May 2020	#8
I've seen people here criticize the re-opening plans for NY, NJ and CT	brooklynite	May 2020	#11
You can't please everyone.	murielm99	May 2020	#16
Big-Ups to Brooklyn!	Sukee	May 2020	#20
New York city's Not opening	jimfields33	May 2020	#46
No, only the Finger Lakes, Mohawk Valley, and near Lake Ontario	Sukee	May 2020	#113
40,000 dead just in those three states. Re-opening should be	John Fante	May 2020	#25
Washington and Oregon are doing excellent work, too	LizBeth	May 2020	#45
Personally,	yortsed snacilbuper	May 2020	#13
Most retail is OK, if social distance is maintained etc (25%)	LeftInTX	May 2020	#14
Too soon -	Ms. Toad	May 2020	#23
I agree...I was simplistic	LeftInTX	May 2020	#24
The very question highlights the immorality inherent in the system.	WhiskeyGrinder	May 2020	#18
The conditions set out in the Federal reopening guidelines, plus mandatory masks.	Ms. Toad	May 2020	#19
Good plan	LeftInTX	May 2020	#22
Except almost no state meets the criteria to go to step 1.	onecaliberal	May 2020	#29
Absolutely.	Ms. Toad	May 2020	#82
That skips step 1.	Igel	May 2020	#48
No it doesn't skip that phase.	Ms. Toad	May 2020	#81
+1	uponit7771	May 2020	#63
+1000 n/t	OhioChick	May 2020	#96
It pisses me off that Cooper in NC does not require masks	Jersey Devil	May 2020	#102
Priority is to manage the pandemic, second priority is to address the costs	unblock	May 2020	#21
There are 85,000 dead people who won't be coming back	DBoon	May 2020	#28
Did you mean this in reply to my post?	unblock	May 2020	#39
+1000	smirkymonkey	May 2020	#73
Indeed. There's a reason we're doing worse than nearly every other country.	unblock	May 2020	#79
We aren't testing, tracing, or isolating, so it isn't an either-or question. Too many	tblue37	May 2020	#31
Tricky business. Last night my party of 5 went to a local restaurant, no	empedocles	May 2020	#32
How many people do you propose to allow to suffocate to death of Covid 19	DBoon	May 2020	#34
:	onecaliberal	May 2020	#36
Tell us, what did you have for dinner last night?	brooklynite	May 2020	#47
You certainly avoid answering the implicit cost benefit your entire argument is predicated on.	LanternWaste	May 2020	#85
We buy from places that are open. You asked about bushiness that are currently closed.	Kaleva	May 2020	#92
The other businesses are closed by Government order, while stories and food production are open...	brooklynite	May 2020	#97
100% protection isn't possible	kcr	May 2020	#118
You probably agree with Gov. Whitmer's plan on reopening the state of Michigan.	Kaleva	May 2020	#121
Everyone homesteading to survive...love it!	jmg257	May 2020	#54
Most of don't want to end up living under a bridge with our families...	EX500rider	May 2020	#70
This is Great Question -	waterwatcher123	May 2020	#37
Where will people spend the UBI money if all businesses remain shut down?	MichMan	May 2020	#40
Great questions	DrToast	May 2020	#59
It's rather convenient to shoot down the ideas of others as bad	LanternWaste	May 2020	#87
Your un-credited C.S.Lewis quote is incorrect! nt	USALiberal	May 2020	#104
Another really good question - maybe we should develop a citizen's guide to the pandemic?	waterwatcher123	May 2020	#88
Im staying inside no matter what...Hubby has to work in the public but he feels....	samnsara	May 2020	#41
There has to be a place for those of us in an unprotected place, in vulnerable position to not	LizBeth	May 2020	#42
Good questions and no easy answers	Bradshaw3	May 2020	#43
Re-open with mandatory wearing of approved masks over the nose	Blue_true	May 2020	#49
Rev. Barber's Poor People's Campaign calls for resistance to reopening plans	mokawanis	May 2020	#51
Let's do a little of the back of the envelope math...	Hugin	May 2020	#52
Lets make it $4000 a month...tax free, more like it and worth a year off.	jmg257	May 2020	#53
Of course, tax free.	Hugin	May 2020	#62
Thank you, Hugin.	rgbecker	May 2020	#72
My strategy is to push MASK WEARING. It's outrageous that the R's are pushing re-opening	pnwmom	May 2020	#56
I agree. But that was screwed up.	EllieBC	May 2020	#58
Yes, they screwed that up. But I also blame Trump. He didn't want to wear them or have	pnwmom	May 2020	#65
How would Obama have dealt with it?	Crunchy Frog	May 2020	#57
+1	uponit7771	May 2020	#64
A big time donor worried about the working class	JonLP24	May 2020	#60
wearing a mask, washing my hands and trying to be responsible for others lives	Demonaut	May 2020	#75
Schools & day care centers. As for workers, already there are workers being give the "choice" ...	Hekate	May 2020	#76
I'd use Governor Cuomo's re-opening standards.	ancianita	May 2020	#80
The Republicans demanding everything open up don't care about Safety Measures	JI7	May 2020	#83
The Pandemic Plan	Tink41	May 2020	#86
TESTING. Quick, accurate testing widely available.	tanyev	May 2020	#89
I know people who are positively thrilled about the unemployment plus $600/week they are getting	Kaleva	May 2020	#91
Gov. Whitmer of Mi. has always said science will determine how and when the state opens back up	Kaleva	May 2020	#93
What science and data said lottery and recreational marijuana were essential?	MichMan	May 2020	#106
Recreational marijuana stores are closed.	Kaleva	May 2020	#120
It's the lack of leadership	MoonlitKnight	May 2020	#94
Here's what I would do	spinbaby	May 2020	#95
Where are you getting food during a "complete shutdown"?	brooklynite	May 2020	#98
there would be essential workers	JI7	May 2020	#99
...then it's not a "complete shutdown"	brooklynite	May 2020	#101
That's why the window to get supplies	spinbaby	May 2020	#100
Why are you asking for this?	Brainfodder	May 2020	#105
Politics has infected the pandemic	Steelrolled	May 2020	#119
My feelings exactly and I have the same question 🤔	Raine	May 2020	#122

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