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Celerity

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35. then that (and I agree that beating Rump is the key criteria) is why she's arguably the worst choice
Thu May 21, 2020, 05:05 PM
May 2020

11 or 12 'finalists'.

1. She is the most problematic with PoC of the 11 or so frontrunners (she polled worse that Buttigieg did with A-A's and does not have a great legal background when it comes to race-related justice issues from her time as Hennepin County Attorney.) She also, at one point, she had voted for nearly 2/3rds of Trump's judicial nominees, some of them who were clearly unqualified.

2. She lacks the temperament, IMHO, based off her past interactions with staff and subordinates, which was on exhibit in the last several debates.

3. She would be the most antagonistic pick in regards to the left half (not just the far left Sanders people) of the party as she ran one of the most hostile-to-progressives primaries (only surpassed by Hickenlooper, Delaney, and Bloomberg IMHO.)

4. She adds little in terms of energising and attracting the under 45yo vote (she polled very poorly with them the entire primary campaign), which is a pre-existing issue with Biden himself.

5. I think the entire 'she will bring the Midwest for sure' angle is overrated, as she did fairly poorly in Iowa (5th place), which is adjacent to Minnesota. I think she brings little to the table in terms of winning Florida (as massively crucial state) as well, the same for North Carolina. Georgia, and Nevada (5th place). She won 3% of the vote in SC, a heavily A-A primary.

I am leaning towards Harris, Lujan Grisham, Abrams, or maybe Whitmer, but I would be fine with most all of the other top 10 or 11 over Klobuchar. Rice is maybe a risk due the Rethugs going insane over the Benghazi claptrap, but they can sod the fuck off, although Biden seems risk-averse, so may not put her in the top 5 or so.

Klobuchar has Kaine 2016 written all over her, with many of the same potential downsides. This is not the election to play 'let's ram in the most centrist VP pick of all the 11 or so favourites and the one with the least strength amongst PoC and younger voters' games.

OK ananda May 2020 #1
I like her but she doesnt bring any strengths he doesn't already have. mahina May 2020 #2
Lookin' fer a fight, are ye? nolabear May 2020 #4
Nope, not for a second mahina May 2020 #5
Actually I like Amy a lot but I don't think she's the right choice either. nolabear May 2020 #13
I like Amy, too, but she doesn't bring anything to the table. MurrayDelph May 2020 #37
She will be Biden's Tim Kaine Bettie May 2020 #39
I was going to say the same Marrah_Goodman May 2020 #68
I agree with you. I also like her, but they are from the same "lane". nt Atticus May 2020 #6
we don't want a left leaning VP ...not with Georgia and Arizona in play. Demsrule86 May 2020 #53
Would Susan Rice not be supported in those states? nt Atticus May 2020 #57
It can't be Susan Rice because of the Benghazi bullshit. Demsrule86 May 2020 #61
So, we are letting Republicans veto qualified Democrats? No way. nt Atticus May 2020 #63
I'd love to see her as VP mahina May 2020 #90
I agree. Baitball Blogger May 2020 #7
Not my #1 but her main add on (outside of gender) is 30 years. essme May 2020 #45
Yeah I have to agree PatSeg May 2020 #49
Amy is great and helps in moderate states like Arizona and Georgia. Demsrule86 May 2020 #52
AZ doesn't need help. Biden is up and so is Kelly. We're looking good. Vivienne235729 May 2020 #83
Well it is tough KentuckyWoman May 2020 #75
Said a year ago snowybirdie May 2020 #3
I'm sure Warren, Harris and several others qazplm135 May 2020 #8
yeah Grasswire2 May 2020 #10
Klobuchar would send the message of ultra stability. Mike 03 May 2020 #9
wow, I don't think that way at all. nt Grasswire2 May 2020 #12
Well, please tell me what you think about it. Mike 03 May 2020 #16
It's just my personal thought. Grasswire2 May 2020 #24
Thanks. I do agree. I think I took the OP to mean Biden had made his choice when Mike 03 May 2020 #28
Good Dem, Mike. Grasswire2 May 2020 #47
TOTALLY Agree! nt Raine May 2020 #14
the message she'd tell minorities and progressives qazplm135 May 2020 #17
Well I said she's not my first choice. Mike 03 May 2020 #19
it's just vetting qazplm135 May 2020 #25
Thank you. I know, I should have read the article first. Mike 03 May 2020 #32
I'm sure the Klobuchar camp is happy to have any support. Grasswire2 May 2020 #48
Exactly! smirkymonkey May 2020 #20
+1 Got the center; need to branch out a smidge to the left. lagomorph777 May 2020 #36
No, we need to reach out to red and purple states... this is not a Demsrule86 May 2020 #64
Wait a sec.... SlogginThroughIt May 2020 #71
Same here. MelissaB May 2020 #51
I love her ability to rusty fender May 2020 #92
No, just no. smirkymonkey May 2020 #11
+1 kimbutgar May 2020 #15
Hey, it could be Amy, though I think that would be a fatal VP decision. There's always Tim Kaine. TheBlackAdder May 2020 #26
She'd be Tim Kaine v. 2.0. smirkymonkey May 2020 #29
No it wouldn't. Amy is great. And quit sniping at Tim Kaine Demsrule86 May 2020 #56
I'm sick of giving moderate states a pass, when the ones that Warren ran in, she did well. TheBlackAdder May 2020 #67
Yep. Not a wise choice. GoCubsGo May 2020 #33
Amy would be fine with me...I don't care who he chooses. Demsrule86 May 2020 #58
She could bring the Midwestern vote. MelissaB May 2020 #50
I just don't think she's going to bring anyone in who isn't already planning to vote smirkymonkey May 2020 #66
Amy was my first choice for Pres, but DrToast May 2020 #18
I think Harris would be a great choice as well. smirkymonkey May 2020 #22
I disagree...I don't think Harris would be good in Demsrule86 May 2020 #59
Bad move - not how you mobilize the progressives womanofthehills May 2020 #21
Joe inspires the Black vote. And a progressive choice won't help us win the states Demsrule86 May 2020 #62
I want Joe Biden to pick who ever gives him the best chance of winning Snake Plissken May 2020 #23
then that (and I agree that beating Rump is the key criteria) is why she's arguably the worst choice Celerity May 2020 #35
Yeah, she's not my choice either. Turin_C3PO May 2020 #42
Harris, Abrams, Lujan Grisham Celerity May 2020 #44
+1. This is not the 90s - Hillary picked Kaine with that mentality radius777 May 2020 #70
Excellent summary rusty fender May 2020 #93
because it worked so well when her name was Tim Kaine jcgoldie May 2020 #27
I wish they would stop using "contenders" instead of "candidates" This is not a game. niyad May 2020 #30
+1 nt KentuckyWoman May 2020 #76
Klobuchar would be an absolutely horrific choice for VP LonePirate May 2020 #31
Well said eleny May 2020 #34
WI, MI, & PA jcgoldie May 2020 #40
She thinks med for all is "fantasyland" lame54 May 2020 #43
I agree. Nt ecstatic May 2020 #55
We don't want a candidate who excites the so called progressive wing... Demsrule86 May 2020 #60
what progressive wing of the party? SlogginThroughIt May 2020 #72
I like her but not enough to be his running mate. sprinkleeninow May 2020 #38
Senator Harris would be a really good pick. roamer65 May 2020 #41
Yes, I do believe. sprinkleeninow May 2020 #77
I like Senator Harris's energy level. roamer65 May 2020 #78
Watching Sen. Harris on Lawrence O'Donnell right now. sprinkleeninow May 2020 #81
Actually not Trumpocalypse May 2020 #85
Still hoping it'll be Kamala. n/t Totally Tunsie May 2020 #46
weak in my opinion RT Atlanta May 2020 #54
Too safe, and I would have wanted to court the black vote. lindysalsagal May 2020 #65
How is the progressive vote a lock but the black voting block isn't? SlogginThroughIt May 2020 #73
HRC didn't get the black turnout that Obama did. Fact. lindysalsagal May 2020 #91
One of several women AnnieBW May 2020 #69
Whitmer is a no go right now SlogginThroughIt May 2020 #74
I'd like to have her 2 terms then she can run for Senator Stabenow's seat. roamer65 May 2020 #79
I would love to see Dana Nessel in the US Senate someday, she impressed the hell out of me the way Celerity May 2020 #82
I think she would make a great Governor Nessel. roamer65 May 2020 #84
Oh, I thought I read somewhere that after this next term (so in 2026) he maybe would retire Celerity May 2020 #87
Sorry but no vercetti2021 May 2020 #80
Sorry Amy but I'm a no. ❤ nt littlemissmartypants May 2020 #86
Again, one out of many DFW May 2020 #88
BREAKING: Whoever Joe Biden picks as his VP, whether it's Amy Klobuchar, Warren or Harris... Cha May 2020 #89
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