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Sancho

(9,067 posts)
7. People Control, Not Gun Control - these people should not have possession of a gun
Mon Jun 29, 2020, 11:40 AM
Jun 2020

They are dangerous.

This is my generic response to gun threads where people are shot and killed by the dumb or criminal possession of guns. For the record, I grew up in the South and on military bases. I was taught about firearms as a child, and I grew up hunting, was a member of the NRA, and I still own guns. In the 70’s, I dropped out of the NRA because they become more radical and less interested in safety and training. Some personal experiences where people I know were involved in shootings caused me to realize that anyone could obtain and posses a gun no matter how illogical it was for them to have a gun. Also, easy access to more powerful guns, guns in the hands of children, and guns that weren’t secured are out of control in our society. As such, here’s what I now think ought to be the requirements to possess a gun. I’m not debating the legal language, I just think it’s the reasonable way to stop the shootings. Notice, none of this restricts the type of guns sold. This is aimed at the people who shoot others, because it’s clear that they should never have had a gun.

1.) Anyone in possession of a gun (whether they own it or not) should have a regularly renewed license. If you want to call it a permit, certificate, or something else that's fine.
2.) To get a license, you should have a background check, and be examined by a professional for emotional and mental stability appropriate for gun possession. It might be appropriate to require that examination to be accompanied by references from family, friends, employers, etc. This check is not to subject you to a mental health diagnosis, just check on your superficial and apparent gun-worthyness.
3.) To get the license, you should be required to take a safety course and pass a test appropriate to the type of gun you want to use.
4.) To get a license, you should be over 21. Under 21, you could only use a gun under direct supervision of a licensed person and after obtaining a learner’s license. Your license might be restricted if you have children or criminals or other unsafe people living in your home. (If you want to argue 18 or 25 or some other age, fine. 21 makes sense to me.)
5.) If you possess a gun, you would have to carry a liability insurance policy specifically for gun ownership - and likely you would have to provide proof of appropriate storage, security, and whatever statistical reasons that emerge that would drive the costs and ability to get insurance.
6.) You could not purchase a gun or ammunition without a license, and purchases would have a waiting period.
7.) If you possess a gun without a license, you go to jail, the gun is impounded, and a judge will have to let you go (just like a DUI).
8.) No one should carry an unsecured gun (except in a locked case, unloaded) when outside of home. Guns should be secure when transporting to a shooting event without demonstrating a special need. Their license should indicate training and special carry circumstances beyond recreational shooting (security guard, etc.). If you are carrying your gun while under the influence of drugs or alcohol, you lose your gun and license.
9.) If you buy, sell, give away, or inherit a gun, your license information should be recorded.
10.) If you accidentally discharge your gun, commit a crime, get referred by a mental health professional, are served a restraining order, etc., you should lose your license and guns until reinstated by a serious relicensing process.

Most of you know that a license is no big deal. Besides a driver’s license you need a license to fish, operate a boat, or many other activities. I realize these differ by state, but that is not a reason to let anyone without a bit of sense pack a semiautomatic weapon in public, on the roads, and in schools. I think we need to make it much harder for some people to have guns.

It's a crime in California as well. onecaliberal Jun 2020 #1
She really has her finger on the trigger. Jesu! Walleye Jun 2020 #2
At least her idiot husband who doesn't know how to hold his AR-15 knows trigger discipline nt sweetloukillbot Jun 2020 #22
Or he doesn't know where the trigger is PatSeg Jun 2020 #23
That's possible as well sweetloukillbot Jun 2020 #29
Yeah, it was pretty comical PatSeg Jun 2020 #30
Oregon Timewas Jun 2020 #3
This? soothsayer Jun 2020 #4
Just for comparison-the NJ Aggravated Assault statute Dread Pirate Roberts Jun 2020 #5
I expect they'll be charged. PTWB Jun 2020 #6
How long before the charges are dismissed? Aristus Jun 2020 #17
Unlikely. PTWB Jun 2020 #20
I sure hope so. Aristus Jun 2020 #25
Even rich white people who stick their thumb in the eye of the state can get prosecuted.. PTWB Jun 2020 #26
they probably won't, they were on their own property Amishman Jun 2020 #32
They'll be charged. PTWB Jun 2020 #34
They were charged. PTWB Jul 2020 #42
People Control, Not Gun Control - these people should not have possession of a gun Sancho Jun 2020 #7
It kinda looks like hubby is pointing his weapon at wifey. AJT Jun 2020 #8
That's so bad! Dread Pirate Roberts Jun 2020 #13
Well, she's already wearing a striped shirt, so maybe she's ready for jail? MineralMan Jun 2020 #9
I forgot to mention "Scarface" McCloskey in the background Dread Pirate Roberts Jun 2020 #10
what is the back story to this? demtenjeep Jun 2020 #11
Just some peaceful protestors passing by Dread Pirate Roberts Jun 2020 #12
And good god, she has her finger on the trigger GulfCoast66 Jun 2020 #14
The McCloskey Gang.... Laxman Jun 2020 #15
This message was self-deleted by its author redstatebluegirl Jun 2020 #16
Oh yes! Dread Pirate Roberts Jun 2020 #18
Yes 2golddogs Jun 2020 #19
it is a felony there, too -- and, look at her finger obamanut2012 Jun 2020 #21
Convicted felon safeinOhio Jun 2020 #27
Can you imagine if she had pulled the trigger, and killed someone...? First Speaker Jun 2020 #24
Hey, Douchebag! snort Jun 2020 #28
Oh, they went and shut their firm web site down. Dread Pirate Roberts Jun 2020 #31
NJ is also a Castle Doctrine state Azathoth Jun 2020 #33
Mad Dog and Scarface look like they're setting up that defense. Dread Pirate Roberts Jun 2020 #36
No "castle domain" if protesters are not on their property but just walking by. marie999 Jun 2020 #39
I wonder what they plan on doing BlueIdaho Jun 2020 #35
Her finger is ON the trigger! 2naSalit Jun 2020 #37
Video of the action figure couple csziggy Jun 2020 #38
What about this? marie999 Jun 2020 #40
It just hit me-maybe they watched Tremors a couple of times too many? Dread Pirate Roberts Jun 2020 #41
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