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BumRushDaShow

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61. Because many tribes had treaties and for others, they rarely called attention to it
Mon Jun 29, 2020, 01:25 PM
Jun 2020

because of how it was ultimately implemented in usual paternalistic fashion.

America Has Tried Reparations Before. Here Is How It Went.

With a renewed focus on reparations for slavery, what lessons can be drawn from payments to victims of other historical injustices in America?

By Adeel Hassan and Jack Healy

June 19, 2019

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Native Americans did not get full control of money awarded to them.

After World War II, Congress created the Indian Claims Commission to pay compensation to any federally recognized tribe for land that had been seized by the United States. The group’s mission was complicated by a paucity of written records, difficulties in putting a value on the land for its agricultural productivity or religious significance, and problems with determining boundaries and ownership from decades, or more than a century, earlier.

The results were disappointing for Native Americans. The commission paid out about $1.3 billion, the equivalent of less than $1,000 for each Native American in the United States at the time the commission dissolved in 1978. “On one level, it was remarkable,” said Melody McCoy, a lawyer for the Native American Rights Fund, a nonprofit group that has represented tribes in hundreds of major cases. “Congress listened to the claims of tribal leaders.”

But, Ms. McCoy said, the government took a paternalistic view, and kept Native Americans from having direct control of the funds, in the belief they were not “competent to receive such large amounts of money.” “They did not make those awards, whether it was $200 million, $20 million or $20,000 — they held that money in trust accounts,” she said.

A separate agreement, struck with Congress in 1971, led to the biggest award — $962 million worth of land in Alaska, some 44 million acres — in return for Indians, Eskimos and Aleuts relinquishing their aboriginal claims to the rest of the state. Once again, the compensation was not awarded directly; instead, the land was put in the control of corporations, and the beneficiaries were given shares of stock in them.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/19/us/reparations-slavery.html
If we can give billionaires huge tax cuts, we should be able to do something secondwind Jun 2020 #1
NO... and not because I don't think it is owed. Zoonart Jun 2020 #2
Just because you don't see... UncleTomsEvilBrother Jun 2020 #6
Free college anywhere? Lower interest rate home & business loans, uponit7771 Jun 2020 #7
Yes on these ideas.... Zoonart Jun 2020 #10
some ideas... and there is much more out there handmade34 Jun 2020 #12
The first step would be a study to determine that. nt gollygee Jun 2020 #17
Definitely a "no-brainer" Cartaphelius Jun 2020 #3
I would favor DIRECT payments to living grandchildren of slaves though very few would qualify Tom Rinaldo Jun 2020 #4
They'd pretty much have to be old as Dracula to qualify. Nt raccoon Jun 2020 #21
Not necessarily. Tom Rinaldo Jun 2020 #40
"A male former slave born in 1860 could easily have fathered a son born in 1910" Polybius Jun 2020 #43
Exactly. Someone born into slavery was a slave, even if only briefly n/t Tom Rinaldo Jun 2020 #54
President John Tyler sarisataka Jun 2020 #53
I am for expanding affirmative action programs still_one Jun 2020 #5
Fortunes were Made Off Their Backs McKim Jun 2020 #8
I actually had an idea for this years ago. Arthur_Frain Jun 2020 #9
Yes but not entirely monetary. tavernier Jun 2020 #11
Tax Free Long Term Business Loans ProfessorGAC Jun 2020 #35
Sounds good. tavernier Jun 2020 #37
Yes, and also to women obamanut2012 Jun 2020 #13
African Americans have had generational wealth stolen and kept from them gollygee Jun 2020 #18
Like Senator Sanders, I would like details about how reparations would be Blue_true Jun 2020 #14
Getting rid of all systemic racism, inequality, etc,. may be the biggest gift of all. I sense 42bambi Jun 2020 #25
I am heartened by the recent trend of making racists pay economically. Blue_true Jun 2020 #27
Here are some interesting graphs from 1860: kentuck Jun 2020 #56
One reason why southern Whites didn't want free slaves is Blue_true Jun 2020 #57
It is and has been our obligation to live up to the promise yellerpup Jun 2020 #15
So many in this country won't even acknowledge the humanity of African Americans. LuvLoogie Jun 2020 #16
Reparations would be not just for slavery, but for policies that lasted well into the 1990s greenjar_01 Jun 2020 #19
Ending the property tax basis for funding schools would go a long way toward equalizing things. nt MoonRiver Jun 2020 #20
It is a complicated subject that comes with no simple answers Chainfire Jun 2020 #22
Yes, in the form of grants to underprivileged areas. DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2020 #23
How about leave us alone and stop killing us. Afromania Jun 2020 #24
In general, no... Happy Hoosier Jun 2020 #26
Atonement must occur or we'll never heal Ponietz Jun 2020 #28
Another symbolism issue that's impossible to implement and an election loser. brooklynite Jun 2020 #29
I wonder what will happen customerserviceguy Jun 2020 #39
The Platform will be decided by Joe Biden with input from Bernie Sanders brooklynite Jun 2020 #46
Agreed customerserviceguy Jun 2020 #59
Reparations - definitely not... brooklynite Jun 2020 #60
Symbols drive humanity Ponietz Jun 2020 #55
Yes - nt Ohio Joe Jun 2020 #30
Yes but what would reparations look like? In It to Win It Jun 2020 #31
Yes mvd Jun 2020 #32
Depends on how it's done, but generally yes. Drahthaardogs Jun 2020 #33
Structurally, communitywide, to build wealth and capacity in black mahina Jun 2020 #34
Why do we never hear about reparations for native Americans? nt Tipperary Jun 2020 #36
Because many tribes had treaties and for others, they rarely called attention to it BumRushDaShow Jun 2020 #61
I don't know....but FirstLight Jun 2020 #38
What if white Americans paid reparations from their own personal funds? BannonsLiver Jun 2020 #41
We would have mass defects to the Republican party Polybius Jun 2020 #42
Not out of their taxes BannonsLiver Jun 2020 #44
That's even worse Polybius Jun 2020 #45
That's his point gollygee Jun 2020 #51
The point of reparations gollygee Jun 2020 #47
So you're not willing to make any actual real sacrifices then. BannonsLiver Jun 2020 #48
You're deflecting because you're opposed to them. nt gollygee Jun 2020 #50
How much should each white person pay? sarisataka Jun 2020 #49
Great questions BannonsLiver Jun 2020 #52
No, because there's no fair way of doing it Calculating Jun 2020 #58
Yes, even though there's no way of doing it that would satisfy everybody. planetc Jun 2020 #62
Probably unconstitutional treestar Jun 2020 #63
The Civil War was reparations. geralmar Jun 2020 #64
We would need to consider who qualifies whistler162 Jun 2020 #65
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