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herding cats

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11. The chatter of symptom reduction vaccines was worrisome.
Tue Jun 30, 2020, 10:10 PM
Jun 2020

An actual vaccine which is 50% more effective than a placebo is something I'd endorse.

horrible headline. msn editor needs to go back to math class. unblock Jun 2020 #1
What has it been in recent annual flu shots does anyone know ? I wonder if the vaccine also lunasun Jun 2020 #2
A few nights ago on CNN with Elizabeth Cohen, Dr. Fauci said, marie999 Jun 2020 #3
Looking at the history of plague vaccines I will not be the first to take one. This is crazy, one.. uponit7771 Jun 2020 #5
Holy crap, history really is repeating itself! Initech Jun 2020 #7
Yes, that "dip" was high NPI the "second wave" was a vaccine that was great at fighting bacteria fro uponit7771 Jul 2020 #23
I am waiting for the full list of centers for the Moderna vaccine trials Steelrolled Jun 2020 #19
Be careful, the last 3 plague vaccines either paralyzed people (link) or were useless and caused ... uponit7771 Jul 2020 #24
Everyone has to make their own decisions Steelrolled Jul 2020 #30
What exactly is 50% more than nothing? world wide wally Jun 2020 #4
The placebo effect is not nothing. Voltaire2 Jun 2020 #6
Last I checked, zero divided by zero is still zero. Initech Jun 2020 #8
The placebo effect is non-zero. n/t Ms. Toad Jun 2020 #10
I think it is more significant in trials for drugs Steelrolled Jun 2020 #20
Nope. It is pervasive. Voltaire2 Jul 2020 #26
The placebo group often receives another vaccine DrToast Jul 2020 #29
You compare disease in those vaccinated to those non-vaccinated (placebo) DrToast Jun 2020 #17
Placebo is not non-vaccinated. Voltaire2 Jul 2020 #27
If you don't receive a vaccine, you are non-vaccinated DrToast Jul 2020 #28
Except that a significant response will be detected from the placebo group Voltaire2 Jul 2020 #31
That's interesting. Thanks for sharing. ecstatic Jul 2020 #34
Why are you trying to argue points I'm not making DrToast Jul 2020 #38
You appeared to be supporting the claim originally made that placebo has zero effect. Voltaire2 Jul 2020 #39
Halfway there. Ms. Toad Jun 2020 #9
The chatter of symptom reduction vaccines was worrisome. herding cats Jun 2020 #11
For something that has pretty standard symptoms, Ms. Toad Jun 2020 #12
All true about the far too varied symptoms and asymptote cases. herding cats Jun 2020 #13
Wouldn't that be factored out in the statistics? Steelrolled Jun 2020 #21
There are so many variations, Ms. Toad Jul 2020 #22
I'm not sure either, it would depend on the size of the Steelrolled Jul 2020 #32
This disease is unlike any other science has encountered before, Ms. Toad Jul 2020 #40
It's not hard to discern it DrToast Jun 2020 #14
If you are happy with that standard, have at it. Ms. Toad Jun 2020 #15
You'd rather get the full blown disease? DrToast Jun 2020 #16
No, but the risk of a new vaccine - potentially created to employ different strategies Ms. Toad Jun 2020 #18
+1, the uselessness of the 1918 Kansas flu "vaccine" is part of the cause of the uptick or uponit7771 Jul 2020 #25
Medicine has advanced a little since 1918. Steelrolled Jul 2020 #33
We still don't have a vaccine for aides or the cold but we have a vaccine for corona virus all of uponit7771 Jul 2020 #35
Don't blame you. Steelrolled Jul 2020 #36
I found a useful source for vaccine trial information written for the general public. Steelrolled Jul 2020 #37
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