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22. cognitive tests are different.
Thu Jul 23, 2020, 09:35 AM
Jul 2020

i can't speak to the protocols of the moca test specifically, but as a former emt, i frequently tested patients for alertness and orientation, which tries to get a some of the same things the moca test does (and in fact, a portion of the moca test is exactly that).

it's not an exact science, for instance, consider orientation to date. the test asks if you know today's date. but what the emergency happened near midnight and they get it on the wrong side? moreover, if the person doesn't have a steady job or school or something else that demands knowing exactly what date it is, people often don't know.

i can't tell you how many times during this pandemic mrs. unblock or mini-unblock have asked by what day of the week it was. they're not cognitively impaired, they're alert and oriented times three just fine, it's just that knowing the exact date or day of the week is simply not an important part of their current lives such that they should know it of the top of their heads.


so as an emt, i often had to prompt or ask a different follow-up question or gauge the response. for instance:

"what? date? um, i was married on a sunday in 1956, it was a beautiful spring day!" -- not alert and oriented to date

"what's the date? what's that got to do with the pain in my chest? i don't know! i got a package on monday, that was 2 or 3 days ago, so maybe it's thursday. or wednesday. who gives a crap! i'm retired! just get me in the truck and drive me to the hospital!" -- alert and oriented to date, even if it's saturday.

i'd be surprised if the moca test protocol didn't provide for some degree of prompting.


as for the ethics involved, we'll probably never know what the doctors wrote on his test results or what they informed donnie, his handlers, and his family. i'd assume they did their job ethically, but were then barred from telling the public the truth (well privacy laws do this anyway).


Yes, probably had something like a mini stroke in November Jersey Devil Jul 2020 #1
There's an article in WaPo that says Trump took the test in early 2018-2 1/2 years ago! Lonestarblue Jul 2020 #29
During the interview with the mercuryblues Jul 2020 #31
Even if he is cognitive he's still a dumbass underpants Jul 2020 #2
he's a cognitive dumbass! blakstoneranger Jul 2020 #26
My 2 cents PJMcK Jul 2020 #40
😁 underpants Jul 2020 #45
Dr Ronny Jackson Captain_New_York Jul 2020 #3
Trump can't remember who gave him the test or why. lagomorph777 Jul 2020 #7
CNN ran part of an interview on Fox yesterday. luvtheGWN Jul 2020 #16
Early 2018. Lonestarblue Jul 2020 #30
They probably had him memorize the answers ToxMarz Jul 2020 #39
I think they coached him through the test PJMcK Jul 2020 #41
the answers were inked onto his hands........ jaxexpat Jul 2020 #42
I'm wondering if he's been put on a medication to try to temporarily manage his symptoms Siwsan Jul 2020 #4
Drugs like Namenda and Aricept can help slow it down, but someone Ilsa Jul 2020 #5
They could just tell him it's a Tic Tac Siwsan Jul 2020 #10
Yes. AirmensMom Jul 2020 #6
Well, doctors take an oath Scarsdale Jul 2020 #13
True. AirmensMom Jul 2020 #19
DU Doctors! nt USALiberal Jul 2020 #8
The Trumperer has no brain! KatyMan Jul 2020 #9
He just has an old brain, wasn't that good to start with. He doesn't do any brain exercises to help LiberalArkie Jul 2020 #11
That certainly sounds like a reasonable explanation. NNadir Jul 2020 #12
I'm a retired speech-language pathologist, have probably administered thousands of standardized phylny Jul 2020 #14
In fairness genxlib Jul 2020 #18
The hippie doctor confessed that the patient dictated the report of his own physical exam. Marcuse Jul 2020 #32
DING DING DING! Marcuse, you're our grand prize winner! rocktivity Jul 2020 #43
Right, bone spurs don't go away. Bone spurs get worse Delmette2.0 Jul 2020 #46
Standardized tests are for the masses PJMcK Jul 2020 #21
cognitive tests are different. unblock Jul 2020 #22
In Trump's universe, no law, no ethical considerations, no norms apply. NNadir Jul 2020 #25
Pretty good assessment. Pepsidog Jul 2020 #15
nope. oldsoftie Jul 2020 #17
The American people deserve to know: WHO is running the country? bucolic_frolic Jul 2020 #20
personally, i think it's almost a guarantee that the test showed impairment. the tell is that he's unblock Jul 2020 #23
The list of users for this test Aviation Pro Jul 2020 #24
I too, believe he was coached. leanforward Jul 2020 #27
ALL HE HAD TO DO WAS KEEP HIS MOUTH SHUT blakstoneranger Jul 2020 #28
Good story telling. The elements make sense. Eyeball_Kid Jul 2020 #33
I wouldn't say your theory is unfounded Hiawatha Pete Jul 2020 #34
I don't believe your're "unfounded" to think this. Texin Jul 2020 #35
Yeah. I think the initiating event was he shit his pants and denied that it happened. NCjack Jul 2020 #36
Thank you, thank you! PJMcK Jul 2020 #44
My theory is that he saw the doctor's notes whopis01 Jul 2020 #37
Unless I am totally off the mark, this test would not be... 3catwoman3 Jul 2020 #38
Oh, god... Blue Owl Jul 2020 #47
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