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ProfessorGAC

(64,955 posts)
6. Back To "Under Leveraged"
Fri Oct 16, 2020, 03:10 PM
Oct 2020

I'll repeat what I said when he blurbed this originally.
There is no such thing as under leveraged.
Any successful business may use debt as growth capital, if they could do the same thing without borrowing money, they would.
Carrying leverage when an excessively high cash position when that cash is dead money. Rates are SO low on deposits, it makes no sense to acquire extra debt. The interest expense is unnecessary.
The amount of leverage is the one that makes sense given 5 other parameters. So, you're either leveraged or overleveraged. A company can't be under leveraged.
Apple is worth $1.2 trillion. The have under $90 billion in debt. This leaves a debt to equity of around 0.09. The tech industry average is around 0.8. Is Apple under leveraged? No. It's just right.
Now, that's off my chest, the debt he admitted to in 2016, was $5.4 billion on total assets of $10.2 billion.
D/E was already greater than 1. About average for commercial real estate and resorts. Except the assets were inflated, and around a billion & a half of debt was not disclosed. (Until Moody's risk assessment for creditworthiness of a privately held company. This suggests a DE of 4.
So, not only is PINO making up that term, but there was never any "under" at all.

Whaaad? Do Us A Favor And Let Us Loan You Money???...nt global1 Oct 2020 #1
Sounds like money laundering. nt coti Oct 2020 #4
Exactly. Lock him up. Oct 2020 #23
Isn't that what all genius business men do? /s PaulRevere08 Oct 2020 #2
So...he admitted to money laundering? mahina Oct 2020 #3
Back To "Under Leveraged" ProfessorGAC Oct 2020 #6
Thank you for that explanation. SergeStorms Oct 2020 #7
And theres no way he's got 10B in real assets, so I wonder what his REAL debt is?? oldsoftie Oct 2020 #8
Downgraded Twice ProfessorGAC Oct 2020 #9
Thats still a lot higher than Forbes had him. I didnt think it was over 3B. nt oldsoftie Oct 2020 #11
You're Right ProfessorGAC Oct 2020 #12
I agree. And his next source of massive funds will be his "base". oldsoftie Oct 2020 #13
Apple's shareholder equity was about $72 billion on its latest 10Q Klaralven Oct 2020 #14
Their Market Cap Is $2.06Trillion, As of Friday ProfessorGAC Oct 2020 #18
Leverage is usually defined by the Debt-to-Equity Ratio, which doesn't involve Market Cap Klaralven Oct 2020 #21
I Know All That ProfessorGAC Oct 2020 #22
Oooh. You sound like someone who knows what's going on PCIntern Oct 2020 #16
And yet no US banks would lend him money malaise Oct 2020 #5
Do us a favor...Vlad wants us to lend you money. lonely bird Oct 2020 #10
These institutions Trump speaks of... jmowreader Oct 2020 #15
If they have his returns and have stated his personal debt, Firestorm49 Oct 2020 #17
K&R UTUSN Oct 2020 #19
Borrowing for business is one thing. NoRoadUntravelled Oct 2020 #20
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