I've been in Thailand on a retirement visa the last 2 1/2 years. (Reply #237)

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Thu Nov 5, 2020, 06:42 AM

argyl (2,768 posts)

237. I've been in Thailand on a retirement visa the last 2 1/2 years.

I visited for a little over a month last year and was looking forward to doing so again. Covid put a stop to that.

Because of our atrocious handling of the pandemic even if I could go back anytime soon I don't think I'd care to.
First off, I'd have hell getting back in and secondly, this election has really depressed me.

No blue tsunami, Biden's got about three million more popular votes, about the same as Hillary.

I think Biden will be the winner but we still have the truly awful Mitch McConnell not allowing any meaningful legislation to be voted on.

Was hoping this election would show the world most of us were better than the last four years. I guess a bare majority of us may be.

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Anybody else no longer love this country? Hesitated to post, but gotta get this off my chest. [View all]	Goodheart	Nov 2020	OP
I view it as half the population is gullible and brainwashed.	lagomorph777	Nov 2020	#1
And don't forget hate radio.	calimary	Nov 2020	#88
Yes! Point is, their gullibility is their vulnerability. We can easily hack them if we try.	lagomorph777	Nov 2020	#89
Yes!!!!!! Nt!	Tumbulu	Nov 2020	#100
Yep	mountain grammy	Nov 2020	#127
Absolutely!	jeaps	Nov 2020	#132
calimary....	Upthevibe	Nov 2020	#141
once rush bites the dust (with no capable to take his place)	weissmam	Nov 2020	#219
They are privately owned stations	wnylib	Nov 2020	#223
today limbaugh started by saying trump won, called Kamala 'kommie' for short, after he called her	certainot	Nov 2020	#234
And limbaugh won't be around much longer.	calimary	Nov 2020	#248
i hope he gets to see trump hauled out of the white house like what's his name in fargo at the end	certainot	Nov 2020	#249
And there better be an inspection of all luggage and crates and other stuff leaving the White House	calimary	Nov 2020	#250
they will steal and i'll bet every first family gets some slack but staff needs to watch the gold...	certainot	Nov 2020	#251
many of those are racist, self centred	samsingh	Nov 2020	#150
I'm shocked	DownriverDem	Nov 2020	#165
We fight it by taking back the word "patriot"	wnylib	Nov 2020	#226
We're the country of Lincoln and King and Guthrie and Chisolm and Gompers and Darrow	Bucky	Nov 2020	#243
Completely agree. Hope over fear.	wnylib	Nov 2020	#244
I can't stomach lying cheating thieving Republicans. I ❤️ America.	live love laugh	Nov 2020	#2
+1	SunSeeker	Nov 2020	#114
+2	Bucky	Nov 2020	#239
I'm having trouble keeping perspective too. Take a break. Keep up from reliable news sites	hlthe2b	Nov 2020	#3
Last night has taught me that I need to move out of this country.	Yavin4	Nov 2020	#4
This Is Exactly Where I'm At	sfstaxprep	Nov 2020	#25
Don't blame you. I'm trapped by age and health without the	moonscape	Nov 2020	#47
Hubby and I feel same way	marlakay	Nov 2020	#134
Too late for me	Boomer	Nov 2020	#232
I'm 54 too and feel the same way.	onlyadream	Nov 2020	#87
I'm right there with you...	world wide wally	Nov 2020	#116
world wide wally....	Upthevibe	Nov 2020	#144
Thanks... Love it!	world wide wally	Nov 2020	#167
Exactly.	Maven	Nov 2020	#27
At 73 this isn't practical for me	mountain grammy	Nov 2020	#46
Yes!!!!! Too Old to Leave Now	McKim	Nov 2020	#90
Son and daughter-in-law fast expressed two passports	secondwind	Nov 2020	#69
Where will you go that doesn't have the ills that you "leave behind"?	Blue_true	Nov 2020	#106
Toronto, Canada.	Yavin4	Nov 2020	#107
I moved out 12 years ago	Layzeebeaver	Nov 2020	#137
Bah! People always say they're gonna leave the US. They never do.	Bucky	Nov 2020	#240
I love the idea of and the ideals of...	ret5hd	Nov 2020	#5
The reality-stupid, lazy and selfish.	Boomerproud	Nov 2020	#19
A nation of spoiled children...	ret5hd	Nov 2020	#34
I accept that a culture doesn't always live up to it's ideals.	plimsoll	Nov 2020	#93
"America - it was a good idea"...	Harker	Nov 2020	#130
I thought we had progressed since my dad's time,	Lars39	Nov 2020	#6
I feel exactly the same. It's a desire to live among people who value science, act with morals	sinkingfeeling	Nov 2020	#7
I feel like crying.	Goodheart	Nov 2020	#10
Goodheart.....	Upthevibe	Nov 2020	#147
The mouth-breathing, know-nothing trophy hunters (picture DJT Jr.)	BKDem	Nov 2020	#95
sinking feeling.....	Upthevibe	Nov 2020	#155
There's a sucker born every minute	Klaralven	Nov 2020	#8
I did love it, but I DON'T any longer!!!	ElementaryPenguin	Nov 2020	#9
Our country's soul is rotten to its core	BannonsLiver	Nov 2020	#11
I agree.	Polly Hennessey	Nov 2020	#48
Agree!	get the red out	Nov 2020	#50
I love the blue aspects of this country	mtnsnake	Nov 2020	#12
Without the blue parts of this country	Butterflylady	Nov 2020	#131
Right with you	PirateRo	Nov 2020	#13
I empathize with you. Can NOT understand the large vote for a	northoftheborder	Nov 2020	#14
I'm with you 100%	bif	Nov 2020	#15
Me too	Freddie	Nov 2020	#21
I'm 66 and semi-retired	bif	Nov 2020	#29
I felt loyalty to the country I grew up in, but not this one n/t	moonscape	Nov 2020	#53
I'm here to help fulfill our ideals	soothsayer	Nov 2020	#16
Thank you	Bucky	Nov 2020	#242
We have never stopped fighting the Civil War. It is evident.	Ninga	Nov 2020	#17
Exactly. I didn't understand how the interests of the Alt-Right and Christian	Mike 03	Nov 2020	#22
Yes not only what you point out, but added is the 30 year campaign by Right wing media hammering	Ninga	Nov 2020	#32
No, but I do now know that	TheRealNorth	Nov 2020	#18
I'm on the same wavelength. It's very hard to accept what is becoming too obvious to	Mike 03	Nov 2020	#20
It's so sad	bdamomma	Nov 2020	#149
There's too many poorly educated Americans.	Buckeye_Democrat	Nov 2020	#23
+1 for the first statement.	peacebuzzard	Nov 2020	#184
Yeah, it's generally less expensive.	Buckeye_Democrat	Nov 2020	#187
lol!!	peacebuzzard	Nov 2020	#190
I'm sorry if there's too much riff-raff for the enlightened ones.	DTomlinson	Nov 2020	#191
It's not easy.	Buckeye_Democrat	Nov 2020	#196
We didn't plan our move to Costa Rica politically.	LakeArenal	Nov 2020	#24
How's the weather there?	Goodheart	Nov 2020	#28
It's tropical. Different all over though.	LakeArenal	Nov 2020	#62
What do your monthly expenses total?	jayschool2013	Nov 2020	#151
Well we lost 75% of our retirement with Bush' depression.	LakeArenal	Nov 2020	#159
THANKS!	jayschool2013	Nov 2020	#172
health care?	Golfnbrew	Nov 2020	#74
If we get residency we get universal health care.	LakeArenal	Nov 2020	#101
That is an extremely complicated question, from Hawai'i.	mahina	Nov 2020	#26
Thanks for saying what I have been thinking!	mtngirl47	Nov 2020	#146
❤️	mahina	Nov 2020	#178
I still love this country.	Steelrolled	Nov 2020	#30
I want to live in Toronto. Most diverse, welcoming place I've ever been.	Goodheart	Nov 2020	#33
My daughter lives there.	murielm99	Nov 2020	#51
We have LOTS of racism. Ask any First Nations member.	EllieBC	Nov 2020	#80
Conversely, there is a growing part of American culture that says "we are shit".	Steelrolled	Nov 2020	#117
I agree	Ananda62	Nov 2020	#129
But they	bdamomma	Nov 2020	#152
Believe it or not there are things better in the US than here.	EllieBC	Nov 2020	#76
So, are you planning to move back to the US?	Spazito	Nov 2020	#122
Honestly I do miss it for things like education for special needs kids.	EllieBC	Nov 2020	#168
Really? An IEP in all states in the US carries a greater weight than...	Spazito	Nov 2020	#171
I deal with this daily with my 2 special needs kids.	EllieBC	Nov 2020	#173
I did live there, in BC, and worked on policy for Children with Special Needs, both at...	Spazito	Nov 2020	#175
Your gotchas are so fail it's almost hilarious.	EllieBC	Nov 2020	#208
There is nowhere that is a bed of roses and that includes...	Spazito	Nov 2020	#212
I think you vented enough.	marble falls	Nov 2020	#246
I deal with this daily with my 2 special needs kids.	EllieBC	Nov 2020	#174
I see you added info re NY and California...	Spazito	Nov 2020	#176
He's trolling you. Ignore him.	marble falls	Nov 2020	#247
That's my home!	Laha	Nov 2020	#86
Appreciated	mahina	Nov 2020	#180
I still love the country, but I despise that 40% of my fellow Americans	Mike 03	Nov 2020	#31
Only 40%? You're being generous.	Goodheart	Nov 2020	#35
It's more like 48-49	BannonsLiver	Nov 2020	#58
Then we need to fight back with	wnylib	Nov 2020	#230
I love the concept and the ideals. We have never lived up to those ideals,	The Velveteen Ocelot	Nov 2020	#36
You said it so much better than I did.	llmart	Nov 2020	#41
Word.	mahina	Nov 2020	#84
Fortunately the teaching of history has improved, in my experience	Steelrolled	Nov 2020	#121
+1000	Niagara	Nov 2020	#162
I don't know that I've ever gone so far as to say I love this country.	llmart	Nov 2020	#37
Those belligerently ignorant bigots waving the American flag,	Dark n Stormy Knight	Nov 2020	#181
I know we can do better that we can BE better	Bettie	Nov 2020	#38
We just VOTED OUT a dictator. There was no violence at the polls	MaryMagdaline	Nov 2020	#39
When did they call the election for Biden?	llmart	Nov 2020	#43
i agree with you.........	Takket	Nov 2020	#40
If I didn't live in Oakland	wryter2000	Nov 2020	#42
Same here, but Portland. And we're still mulling over a "Trexit"	flibbitygiblets	Nov 2020	#92
I went back and forth	LostinRed	Nov 2020	#44
Deeply disturbed	jonstl08	Nov 2020	#45
I think you got it	caraher	Nov 2020	#52
Racism is it. Many kinds of racism: anti-immigrant, anti change, etc., BUT ACCEPTANCE TOO...	Stuart G	Nov 2020	#65
Biden has	bdamomma	Nov 2020	#156
Engrained rascism for sure. Add cutthroat capitalism/ corporatism at the expense of your citizenry	Evolve Dammit	Nov 2020	#99
Racism + the silence on racism desired . Greed -A big sector of wealth that doesn't want	lunasun	Nov 2020	#113
I'm disheartened that this could even be close - again	caraher	Nov 2020	#49
Be greatful you don't live in TN. I need to relocate to a blue state asap.	SammyWinstonJack	Nov 2020	#54
I don't know how I feel about it right now.	GoCubsGo	Nov 2020	#55
Love yes, respect no.	hay rick	Nov 2020	#56
I'm still going to fly my USA flag outside AFTER...	Buckeye_Democrat	Nov 2020	#57
I hear you	Joinfortmill	Nov 2020	#59
We don't really know how those other countries would be	treestar	Nov 2020	#60
Telling my niece earlier	jonstl08	Nov 2020	#61
Its a coalition of the stupid...	Jon King	Nov 2020	#63
Right Now...Biden has a clear lead...10:30 Wednesday....	Stuart G	Nov 2020	#77
Welcome to DU	bdamomma	Nov 2020	#160
Amen to all that and welcome to DU.	appalachiablue	Nov 2020	#227
I love this country.	cayugafalls	Nov 2020	#64
...	ailsagirl	Nov 2020	#204
Amen Amen Amen	Liberal In Red State	Nov 2020	#66
I've spent most of my life trashing Americans	Laha	Nov 2020	#67
I'm seriously considering it, too. The only problem is, where? I'm only fluent in English, sadly,	catbyte	Nov 2020	#68
I always take my long(er) summer vacations in America even though I live in Europe. Here's where:	DFW	Nov 2020	#83
I still love America, but I've become very embarrassed at how backwards we've become	Poiuyt	Nov 2020	#70
Same here.	Mad_Dem_X	Nov 2020	#112
I think that is an overreaction.	malthaussen	Nov 2020	#71
Bull Crap!	Biophilic	Nov 2020	#72
Yes	hurple	Nov 2020	#73
I honestly didn't realize how many Americans lacked common decency and common sense.	Pacifist Patriot	Nov 2020	#75
I've been done with this country for good since '16, the damage is done & no election will change	yaesu	Nov 2020	#78
I am with you	Traildogbob	Nov 2020	#79
Oh yeah that ship has sailed	vercetti2021	Nov 2020	#81
I hear you	Hanzzy72	Nov 2020	#82
Look at it this way, there's a lot to be optimistic about	Major Nikon	Nov 2020	#85
I'm with you. Even if we take the presidency, the filth in this country will never be cleansed.	rwsanders	Nov 2020	#91
Not just no but He'll F*cking No!	Dukkha	Nov 2020	#94
I am completely disheartened...	joewicker_TX	Nov 2020	#96
Right there with you GoodHeart. Floridian for the last 22 years and I've begun to look at the	NoMoreRepugs	Nov 2020	#97
I'm so disappointed in our country	karin_sj	Nov 2020	#98
Been struggling with this issue since before I could vote.	maxsolomon	Nov 2020	#102
Good luck finding a place that doesn't have racism and sexism and other ills.	Blue_true	Nov 2020	#103
Seriously.	betsuni	Nov 2020	#108
I love the country, hate ALL republicans. The only way they stay in power is to cheat!	George II	Nov 2020	#104
I'm really surprised. I thought Biden would win easily	Roc2020	Nov 2020	#105
I love the U.S.A.	Marthe48	Nov 2020	#109
The countries you mentioned will take immigrants from the USA	Thyla	Nov 2020	#110
As a psycologist	Oscarthegreat	Nov 2020	#111
Yup. Feels unbearable	zentrum	Nov 2020	#115
Most other parts of the world are no different	CatLady78	Nov 2020	#118
Marie is 72 and her husband is 77. They like living here in Maysville, a small town half white and	marie999	Nov 2020	#119
I love the country--I just don't love a lot of the people in it.	Lonestarblue	Nov 2020	#120
Very well said	bdamomma	Nov 2020	#169
I don't love the racist hateful idiots who voted to make America worse for the rest of us	IronLionZion	Nov 2020	#123
Right there with you, Goodheart.	Loge23	Nov 2020	#124
i love it, but	barbtries	Nov 2020	#125
I am angry that 60 million support a racist liar who is ok with their fellow Americans are dying	kimbutgar	Nov 2020	#126
I lived in Europe for a couple years.	moondust	Nov 2020	#128
When I chose my screen name back when I first registered, it was wishful thinking.	GoneOffShore	Nov 2020	#133
I don't love what this country stands for any longer.	Ferrets are Cool	Nov 2020	#135
I'm glad to live in a Blue state and a Blue city	Rice4VP	Nov 2020	#136
I think	bdamomma	Nov 2020	#170
just under half this country's voting populace	llashram	Nov 2020	#138
Hi Goodheart...	Upthevibe	Nov 2020	#139
I live in a Blue town, in a Red County in a Blue state	mchill	Nov 2020	#140
Honestly, I never "loved" the USA	LymphocyteLover	Nov 2020	#142
Not much different in neighboring Texas.	Scalded Nun	Nov 2020	#143
Sick to my stomach	matt819	Nov 2020	#145
I love USA because of so many great people I know	AlexSFCA	Nov 2020	#148
I may have reached my breaking point in Iowa	jayschool2013	Nov 2020	#153
I can move my high-tech job easily to Toronto	BernieBabies	Nov 2020	#154
Fox News and all the other RW lying, we all know what's up and always have, Reps exploit ignorance.	Brainfodder	Nov 2020	#157
I Will Always Love this Country	AldebTX	Nov 2020	#158
It's like waking up and learning your father's a serial killer	mainer	Nov 2020	#161
National foundations taken for granted until four years ago	usajumpedtheshark	Nov 2020	#163
My home state embarrasses me, too.	spicysista	Nov 2020	#164
I hear you	es466	Nov 2020	#166
Honestly, I think the solution is to	bucolic_frolic	Nov 2020	#177
I haven't loved this country since I was 12.	cagefreesoylentgreen	Nov 2020	#179
I hate this country.	Marius25	Nov 2020	#182
I still love my Country, I just hate the people turning it into a Third Reich.	Fla Dem	Nov 2020	#183
No	Woodwizard	Nov 2020	#185
Oh, I'm not giving up, either. Doesn't mean I love it, though.	Goodheart	Nov 2020	#186
Right	Woodwizard	Nov 2020	#205
I feel it too, and it brings tears to my eyes.	Greybnk48	Nov 2020	#188
No. I'm not going to let disappointing election results dictate what I love.	DTomlinson	Nov 2020	#189
the triumph of capitalism	disalitervisum	Nov 2020	#192
Oh hell no... I love this country..it has warts and I want the warts treated	Peacetrain	Nov 2020	#193
NO, I love my country. nt	Raine	Nov 2020	#194
It so disheartens me	BainsBane	Nov 2020	#195
But even if	Star-Thrower	Nov 2020	#206
Thank you for posting this! YOU ARE NOT ALONE. Cheers anyway!!	Missn-Hitch	Nov 2020	#197
I'm tired of all of those quitters who feel bad and want to run away.	panader0	Nov 2020	#198
I can totally relate to a lot of those feelings.	BobTheSubgenius	Nov 2020	#199
last night my partner was saying she's done trying to save America from itself	paulkienitz	Nov 2020	#200
Facebook nation- The swill runs deep. Algorithm zombies.	callous taoboy	Nov 2020	#201
That's not this country. Those are individuals who are assholes.	mahatmakanejeeves	Nov 2020	#202
I feel the same way in regards to	Star-Thrower	Nov 2020	#203
If I had the financial means to leave I would do it in a heartbeat.	cstanleytech	Nov 2020	#207
Love?	smiboy1956	Nov 2020	#209
Nope.	jayfish	Nov 2020	#210
I still do	DashOneBravo	Nov 2020	#211
I love MOST of this country	coeur_de_lion	Nov 2020	#213
Why would I, or anyone else, love this particular country over all others (fucking rhetorical Q).	warmfeet	Nov 2020	#214
No way do I surrender my country to a bunch of fascist, racists asshats...	JCMach1	Nov 2020	#215
I've never blindly loved this country	drmeow	Nov 2020	#216
Right there with ya!	chitown progressive	Nov 2020	#217
I totally agree!	denvine	Nov 2020	#222
The US has become two countries , the coasts and Jesus Land	weissmam	Nov 2020	#218
i love what the country should be. i do not love those who refuse to allow it.	bullimiami	Nov 2020	#220
The past four	Meowmee	Nov 2020	#221
I love California	yuiyoshida	Nov 2020	#224
I have to respond	birdographer	Nov 2020	#225
Continue to love the country.	EmeraldCoaster	Nov 2020	#228
da fuck is this shit?	mopinko	Nov 2020	#229
You know, I feel the spirit of your complaint. I just can't agree about the "half" part.	ancianita	Nov 2020	#231
If you look closely enough at the population of any country in the world	soldierant	Nov 2020	#233
I hear ya!	Richard58	Nov 2020	#235
I learned years ago that love of country ..	ananda	Nov 2020	#236
I've been in Thailand on a retirement visa the last 2 1/2 years.	argyl	Nov 2020	#237
during BushII,	GetRidOfThem	Nov 2020	#238
I have read all these posts of people in despair over the situation.	olegramps	Nov 2020	#241
My mother was a recovered alcoholic thanks to AA	randr	Nov 2020	#245

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