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porphyrian

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25. Again, if the boss wanted it, they would make the change.

Mon Oct 1, 2012, 02:20 PM

Oct 2012

Everybody up to state Congresses may want the paper trail, but unless these Congresses vote for the funding to retrofit or replace the existing machines, it just won't happen. Even if the federal government were to provide the funding, they wouldn't be able to force states to use it. Piece of Shit, Rick Scott, is a good example of a Governor turning down federal funds to make an ideological point, regardless of its futility and affect on citizens who aren't millionaires. Electronic voting must be defeated state by state if not county by county.

If we want meaningful change, people have to get involved in Congressional races and vote in every election, not just Presidential ones, and force lawmakers to make laws for us, the people they are supposed to represent. This is frustrating and somewhat boring to most people, but it's the only real answer and it is not short term.

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If we all vote and all the votes are counted, the President will win this election. [View all] porphyrian Oct 2012 OP

Any takers? n/t porphyrian Oct 2012 #1

Why don't you do some research? cali Oct 2012 #2

So, what is your point, then? porphyrian Oct 2012 #5

...also, you failed to suggest a solution. Please do so. n/t porphyrian Oct 2012 #8

do try reading, honey. cali Oct 2012 #9

I'm not your "honey," condescending person, and that is no solution. porphyrian Oct 2012 #10

It's in my prior post. cali Oct 2012 #11

So, then, you have no solution. porphyrian Oct 2012 #12

The part we're worried about is, "...and all the votes are counted..." CrispyQ Oct 2012 #3

How would that help those effected by the myriad of new laws cali Oct 2012 #4

It doesn't. The whole fucking electoral system is corrupt & compromised. CrispyQ Oct 2012 #6

That's my take. n/t porphyrian Oct 2012 #14

Agreed, but electronic voting machines are a reality in this election, as they have been since 2000. porphyrian Oct 2012 #7

Anyone who actually has a solution? We have roughly a month. n/t porphyrian Oct 2012 #13

This is not an irrational position. n/t porphyrian Oct 2012 #15

The one Australia adopted over 20 years ago - mandatory voting. HopeHoops Oct 2012 #16

I could support that. Isn't voting our civic duty? porphyrian Oct 2012 #17

Beyond that, you've got to have some faith that the machines haven't been fucked with. HopeHoops Oct 2012 #18

It's easier if the election is actually close. I'm not convinced it will be. n/t porphyrian Oct 2012 #19

There's no indication that it will be close. That's why I said "only so much". HopeHoops Oct 2012 #20

Right, we're agreeing. porphyrian Oct 2012 #21

What I don't buy is the "paper trails are expensive" argument. That's bullshit. HopeHoops Oct 2012 #22

Yep, that's bullshit. porphyrian Oct 2012 #23

It's been privatized all along. Diebold isn't exactly a charity operation and certainly not "gubmint HopeHoops Oct 2012 #24

Again, if the boss wanted it, they would make the change. porphyrian Oct 2012 #25

I'm afraid "county by county" (or townships here in PA) will be the only path to success. HopeHoops Oct 2012 #26

I only say state level because of state laws. Local is the best place to start. n/t porphyrian Oct 2012 #27

PA's a little different. We have 66 counties, but they don't amount to much. HopeHoops Oct 2012 #28

I don't think people realize how different things are state by state. porphyrian Oct 2012 #29

I grew up in MD where EVERYTHING was at the county level. PA and NH were quite different. HopeHoops Oct 2012 #30

I like THAT one. Tigress DEM Oct 2012 #33

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