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TwilightZone

(25,461 posts)
2. It's very difficult to beat an incumbent, and Trump's support is historically stable.
Thu Nov 5, 2020, 10:05 PM
Nov 2020

Contrary to what we all wanted to believe (including me), this was never going to be a blowout. Many of us assumed that Trump *had* to lose support, but that belief wasn't based in reality.

Assuming he wins NV, AZ, PA, and/or GA, Biden's accomplishment is highly impressive. GA should be a shocker to everyone, but it doesn't seem that many realize just how significant it is.

We're disappointed about the Senate outcome, but I think our expectations were similarly a bit too elevated. We still have a shot with the two runoffs, but our next shot is 2022. It's the long game.

I do agree that many Trump supporters are a lost cause. As you noted, we've been told that we need to figure them out. I disagree. I think we should write them off to a large degree and focus on the voters for whom our message is positive. Turnout is always going to be the key as it was this cycle.

I'm about to give up. [View all] cab67 Nov 2020 OP
This election would look so much different if PA MissB Nov 2020 #1
Agreed. TwilightZone Nov 2020 #15
It's very difficult to beat an incumbent, and Trump's support is historically stable. TwilightZone Nov 2020 #2
Also, they cheated a lot. meadowlander Nov 2020 #10
Well said moose65 Nov 2020 #14
Good luck to you in your new country. I'm 73 and stuck here. n/t rzemanfl Nov 2020 #3
I have a spare room canetoad Nov 2020 #16
Where the hell is oz? Bass Coast? n/t rzemanfl Nov 2020 #20
About as far from the US canetoad Nov 2020 #22
Do I need ruby slippers to visit family or would a hard whack on the head work? n/t rzemanfl Nov 2020 #24
I have a secret garden canetoad Nov 2020 #30
Voting machines & USPS SheltieLover Nov 2020 #4
Babe, I lived abroad for 12 years. Mexico City (4 yrs), Firenze (1 yr), Venezia (7 yrs.) fierywoman Nov 2020 #5
I'm glad I read your post... consider_this Nov 2020 #25
And remember: in Spanish and in Italian, there's no word for "freedom." Imagine how that fierywoman Nov 2020 #29
OT but BumRushDaShow Nov 2020 #34
What an interesting history! Can you expand on your experience a bit? I, and I am sure others, smirkymonkey Nov 2020 #33
May I start by saying, if you have a yen to live abroad to experience another culture, do work that fierywoman Nov 2020 #47
Ok, thank you for that. smirkymonkey Nov 2020 #51
May I ask what instrument(s) you play(ed)... electric_blue68 Nov 2020 #39
The viola. Which is very funny in Spanish -- una violista can also be read as one who violates ... fierywoman Nov 2020 #41
Oh, I played viola for one year in 5th grade... electric_blue68 Nov 2020 #46
Good for you! fierywoman Nov 2020 #48
Thanks, and ha! electric_blue68 Nov 2020 #52
My son says the problem is Biden is too centrist, not progressive enough Freddie Nov 2020 #6
Biden was probably the perfect candidate for this election. TwilightZone Nov 2020 #8
Agree Freddie Nov 2020 #13
Absolutely he would've lost. SharonAnn Nov 2020 #53
Biden was the ONLY candidate the Democrats had that could beat Trump Yavin4 Nov 2020 #12
Exactly, The attacks were starting to hurt him also but the fact most people knew JI7 Nov 2020 #18
Thank you. That has been my belief canetoad Nov 2020 #21
Exactly. Mr.Bill Nov 2020 #28
I doubt it JonLP24 Nov 2020 #31
No other Dem could be this competitive in PA Yavin4 Nov 2020 #37
Wasn't Pennsylvania a reliable blue state until 2016? JonLP24 Nov 2020 #40
Yes we were Freddie Nov 2020 #44
Bernie would have been a catastrophe, in my opinion. cab67 Nov 2020 #42
Totally agree re Bernie Freddie Nov 2020 #43
Young voters are why Democrats win elections JonLP24 Nov 2020 #45
That's a pipe dream, IMO shrike3 Nov 2020 #50
I hear that a lot from Bernie supporters. They don't seem to understand. shrike3 Nov 2020 #49
I wouldn't rule out election interference crimycarny Nov 2020 #7
Things never turn out exactly as we want them. Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Nov 2020 #9
Stop it AmericanCanuck Nov 2020 #11
And it's always been this way since the War of independence. Kaleva Nov 2020 #17
I read you. It's going to take a lot of luck, work, determination mahina Nov 2020 #19
This message was self-deleted by its author rzemanfl Nov 2020 #23
I'm moving away too. MoonlitKnight Nov 2020 #26
PM me if you find a place. n/t rzemanfl Nov 2020 #32
You can always have a little fun Mr.Bill Nov 2020 #27
That was well written and I agree BlueNProud Nov 2020 #35
Bye. Wednesdays Nov 2020 #36
You might find the happiness you're looking for if you move to a major city right here in the USA mtnsnake Nov 2020 #38
Sadly, if there had been no Covid-19, Trump would easily won. progressoid Nov 2020 #54
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