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LanternWaste

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46. I think you're confusing methodology with objective.

Tue Nov 17, 2020, 07:57 PM

Nov 2020

The latter is achieved by proper application of the former.

(ps: any problem created by humans can be solved by humans... but we too often allow the imaginary red and blue lines on the map to instruct us as to who is worth what)

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What's wrong with withdrawing troops from Afghanistan? [View all] Jspur Nov 2020 OP

The problem is that Trump doesn't give a fuck about methods or consequences. The goal is not RockRaven Nov 2020 #1

I agree with what you saying about Trump but Jspur Nov 2020 #2

What do you mean by "we are still at war with them"? RockRaven Nov 2020 #5

What is the US' objective by being in Afghanistan right now? Jspur Nov 2020 #7

Instead of asking what the US goal is, ask what Trump's goal is. Because the same "what" with RockRaven Nov 2020 #11

This is what people said about Vietnam. KWR65 Nov 2020 #33

As a person with Afghan friends both here and in Afghanistan littlemissmartypants Nov 2020 #3

I understand there is a moral dilema in withrawing from Jspur Nov 2020 #4

I don't think you understand what we're doing there. littlemissmartypants Nov 2020 #6

enough with the TRAINING THE AFGHAN ARMY schtick Skittles Nov 2020 #15

How's this? littlemissmartypants Nov 2020 #18

It's a "failed state", so it's going to take a very long time LeftInTX Nov 2020 #19

trillions torius Nov 2020 #9

I was wrong. According to this article the US spent 45 billion in Aghanistan Jspur Nov 2020 #10

That's $45 billion per year -- over the decades it amounts to real money.... Klaralven Nov 2020 #26

Agreed it comes out to 450 billion over a decade Jspur Nov 2020 #29

I do think they should come home, however.. mvd Nov 2020 #8

Obama's withdrawal from Iraq in 2009 led to ISIS ansible Nov 2020 #12

um, NO Skittles Nov 2020 #16

Obama's withdrawal from Iraq was too abrupt LeftInTX Nov 2020 #20

that may be true Skittles Nov 2020 #40

You know damn well this is a RW talking point. Obama had absolutely bullwinkle428 Nov 2020 #35

President Obama tried to negotiate the agreement, but still not allow Blue_true Nov 2020 #44

You are incorrect. ISIS formed in 2004, after Bush invaded Iraq. Blue_true Nov 2020 #43

Pull out and BGBD Nov 2020 #13

I feel the problem is there will always be terrorist groups that form in Jspur Nov 2020 #14

And if the price to keep them on their heels in Afghanistan BGBD Nov 2020 #17

You make a good point. Blue_true Nov 2020 #45

Sooner or later the US will leave Afghanistan just DeminPennswoods Nov 2020 #21

The problem is that when leave Chainfire Nov 2020 #23

The problem I have is that we can't protect these people forever. Jspur Nov 2020 #31

Yes bdamomma Nov 2020 #37

Geopolitically, Putin would want the US tied up DeminPennswoods Nov 2020 #41

It's the way it's being done . Afghan Allies also feel abandoned just as the Kurds did . The US JI7 Nov 2020 #22

Because foreign policy and deployment of American power should NEVER be "willy-nilly" maxrandb Nov 2020 #24

Ditto n/t malaise Nov 2020 #25

The country should have been split, southeast Pashtuns and northwest Tajik, Uzbek, Darii alliance Klaralven Nov 2020 #27

+1 DeminPennswoods Nov 2020 #42

You are abandoning people who helped us to their deaths...and the Taliban will be back in control. Demsrule86 Nov 2020 #28

This is one way Trump converted Obama supporters in 2016 BannonsLiver Nov 2020 #30

No, see, you just miss all of the talking points on the right. Arthur_Frain Nov 2020 #32

I feel the exact same way that you do about MIC and Jspur Nov 2020 #34

Withdrawing them is one thing, but where he will send them next is another mtnsnake Nov 2020 #36

I don't know enough to make a judgment, but I think trump is setting up for '24 ecstatic Nov 2020 #38

Trump isn't doing this to benefit the US or our troops.... Something else is up. Chakaconcarne Nov 2020 #39

I think you're confusing methodology with objective. LanternWaste Nov 2020 #46