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48. i've always wondered
Sun Nov 29, 2020, 05:12 PM
Nov 2020

why mcconnell was soooo confident he'd still be in charge after the election. supposedly his approval rating in KY is abysmal. and it was a blowout.

i think you're right. but keep in mind there are millions of americans who totally do not believe it. such is the nature of the polarization in our country right now.

K&R Blue Owl Nov 2020 #1
if trump could have cheated mushroomhunter Nov 2020 #95
Voter suppression. radius777 Nov 2020 #2
Tinfoil hat alert ! jaysunb Nov 2020 #3
Exactly! Iwasthere Nov 2020 #8
"He was told the fix was in. He just couldn't have lost!" LiberalLovinLug Nov 2020 #61
I would love to see how many mail in angstlessk Nov 2020 #11
Don Jr was trying to claim that undervotes were fraudelent. yellowdogintexas Nov 2020 #49
Exactly, mail in votes cannot do down ballot voting angstlessk Nov 2020 #52
We voted absentee from abroad, and we could vote for President and congress critter only. GoneOffShore Nov 2020 #56
I tend to think this might be the case as well Bettie Nov 2020 #30
I do too, and I hope this is investigated. Nt spooky3 Nov 2020 #36
I think you're right Catherine Vincent Nov 2020 #75
I concur with your diagnosis: It was a perfect storm of sorts rocktivity Nov 2020 #99
This message was self-deleted by its author rocktivity Jan 2021 #127
This doesn't mean the OP is off in thinking at all, both can be true. uponit7771 Dec 2020 #116
Cheating and stealing have benefitted FoxNewsSucks Nov 2020 #4
EXACTLY! It worked in 2016 they planned a tweak for 2020. The republicans have been stealing...... usaf-vet Nov 2020 #41
regarding Item 3, it is my experience that the reverse is true yellowdogintexas Nov 2020 #55
Maybe I worded it wrong BUT I think my #3 and your tally as written mean the same thing IMO. usaf-vet Nov 2020 #65
I agree, although it more likely was technically voter suppression intrepidity Nov 2020 #5
There was definitely voter suppression in Texas TexasBushwhacker Nov 2020 #70
+1, I've been saying for weeks the polling firms don't weight voter suppression accurately. uponit7771 Dec 2020 #117
I wholly agree and said the same thing two weeks ago. The numbers/polling make absolutely Hestia Nov 2020 #6
I completely agree pandr32 Nov 2020 #7
It's not only okay to believe this, Iwasthere Nov 2020 #9
8 years? Why not 12, 16? The (r)epuglicons will be fractured. The Democrats need to be strong erronis Nov 2020 #20
Republicans lying to pollster. 2% of republicans saying they are voting applegrove Nov 2020 #10
Where does that info come from? KPN Nov 2020 #37
The polls were off by 4%. Same thing happened to Kerry in 2004. applegrove Nov 2020 #46
In 2004, final polls were largely accurate in predicting a small Bush lead. tritsofme Nov 2020 #50
I didn't share any information. I was just wondering where you got the 2% from. I've heard the KPN Nov 2020 #71
The polls were off in 2004 too election day. applegrove Nov 2020 #73
Sounds like mythmaking, the final polls were largely accurate in 2004 tritsofme Nov 2020 #81
The exit polls, which were published during election day in 2004, gave applegrove Nov 2020 #84
I don't think there is any real evidence that leaked early exit poll data, that were only available tritsofme Nov 2020 #88
So the MSM made a rule to never publish presidential vote exit polls applegrove Nov 2020 #97
They already had that rule, it was just flagrantly violated in 2004. tritsofme Nov 2020 #108
Those were exit polls. Apples and oranges. KPN Nov 2020 #87
They were false polling that may have kept democrats home from voting. applegrove Nov 2020 #111
Yes they were. And that may have even a coordinated strategy by KPN Nov 2020 #112
+1, people guessing. There's NOT ONE POLLING FIRM with an analysis of how they were off yet! NOT 1 uponit7771 Dec 2020 #118
I agree. BobTheSubgenius Nov 2020 #12
Call Trump's bluff and thoroughly investigate. Kingofalldems Nov 2020 #13
And proclaiming mail in voting fraudulent months before the election! KPN Nov 2020 #38
republicans openly do everything they can think of to suppress the vote Orangepeel Nov 2020 #14
It was those Dominion machines! ... But KPN Nov 2020 #40
It was those Dominion machines! ... But KPN Nov 2020 #85
agree something is fishy Grasswire2 Nov 2020 #15
I agree with every word you say, except the last sentence: planetc Nov 2020 #16
Okay, I should have been more precise in my wording. Jeebo Nov 2020 #72
I understand exactly what you meant, and applaud it. planetc Nov 2020 #74
I agree. And quietly we will go on and fix the messes the current Republican adm made. LizBeth Nov 2020 #17
Rove's 3 pct election fraud, plus the actual winning margin of 4 pct equals 7 percent. roamer65 Nov 2020 #18
+1 sandensea Nov 2020 #29
K&R n/t Kitchari Nov 2020 #19
tRUMP always projects. NT SayItLoud Nov 2020 #21
Unbelievable -- Both parties claiming there was fraud. Hoyt Nov 2020 #22
Except we objectively have the reality of Trumps cheating & voter suppression as factors .... uponit7771 Dec 2020 #119
At least we have confirmed that irony is alive and well. tritsofme Nov 2020 #23
For the most part, what we're talking about is Bettie Nov 2020 #32
I suggest you read SophieJean Nov 2020 #58
Greg Palast's hat is on too tight. progressoid Nov 2020 #79
You will probably say the same thing DENVERPOPS Nov 2020 #106
lol, now there's a clown I haven't thought of in a while. tritsofme Nov 2020 #109
+1 progressoid Nov 2020 #80
There was massive voter suppression in a lot of states as well as postal delays etc. appleannie1 Nov 2020 #24
Usually if Trump accuses someone of something twodogsbarking Nov 2020 #25
Fox Trotting DeSmet Nov 2020 #26
We have Bush's Help America Vote REPUBLICAN Act to thank for that sandensea Nov 2020 #27
How can we think that and Disaffected Nov 2020 #28
Cognitive dissonance. tritsofme Nov 2020 #31
because voting machine companies tend to be rightwing owned and more counties are GOP controlled LymphocyteLover Nov 2020 #45
Suspicions, not evidence. Disaffected Nov 2020 #67
why bother polling then? LymphocyteLover Nov 2020 #96
I dunno, Disaffected Nov 2020 #103
Can't. grantcart Nov 2020 #59
In the absence of evidence to the contrary, seems reasonable. nt Disaffected Nov 2020 #69
Voter suppression and voter fraud are two different acts that are no were close in implementation uponit7771 Dec 2020 #120
A view from the north luvtheGWN Nov 2020 #33
Probably just vote suppression Diraven Nov 2020 #34
definitely those are hugely important and may account for the discrepencies LymphocyteLover Nov 2020 #47
THIS !!!! ☝🏾☝🏾☝🏾 add 5.) there's no other developed country on earth who's polling is this .. uponit7771 Dec 2020 #121
You mean like moondust Nov 2020 #35
Yep. Easier to get away with big vote shifts there. LymphocyteLover Nov 2020 #43
Defund the police and riots......... MRDAWG Nov 2020 #39
Yes, I posted about some of that here LymphocyteLover Nov 2020 #42
I'd like to see a study crud Nov 2020 #44
+1, I OP'd this a month ago; that the blue ran SoS states polling is closer to actual votes than red uponit7771 Dec 2020 #122
i've always wondered barbtries Nov 2020 #48
KY votes " R". He was the only "R" running. SharonAnn Nov 2020 #90
i know that's a lot of it. barbtries Nov 2020 #94
Absolutely dianaredwing Nov 2020 #51
My suspicion all along... GetRidOfThem Nov 2020 #53
trump tried and true suing when he breaks contracts is what he brought to the oval. SleeplessinSoCal Nov 2020 #54
If I was a betting man....? kentuck Nov 2020 #57
Interesting how the machines were way ahead for Dump before the mail in ballots were diva77 Nov 2020 #60
I like the paper ballot. kentuck Nov 2020 #62
The best way to run elections is to have paper ballots, hand marked in secret and counted publicly diva77 Nov 2020 #64
Great ideas! kentuck Nov 2020 #66
Hand counts are fine if there is only 1 ballot issue. Pobeka Nov 2020 #83
You don't need 30 ballots per voter. You resort & restack for each race that is being counted. diva77 Nov 2020 #98
I totally agree that if there was fraud it was on the Republican Side linnknee Nov 2020 #63
Federalized elections? Just imagine the damage Trump would have done. intrepidity Dec 2020 #124
I agree if he could have cheated coeur_de_lion Nov 2020 #68
Maybe the "fix" was put in by Trump UCmeNdc Nov 2020 #76
We need to nuke the black box voting machines quakerboy Nov 2020 #77
Don't nearly all (or all?) machines now print a paper ballot? intrepidity Dec 2020 #123
tRump always cheats at everything. John Dean said he believed tRump believed it Texin Nov 2020 #78
I think at this point DENVERPOPS Nov 2020 #105
I agree with your premise. Don't forget about their moneybags: i.e., the Kochs, Texin Dec 2020 #113
The polls were not that wrong Botany Nov 2020 #82
I tend to agree... Trueblue Texan Nov 2020 #86
10 million people didn't suddenly decide they like Agolf now ( they didn't in 2016) robbedvoter Nov 2020 #89
I absolutely agree with you! PatrickforO Nov 2020 #91
They probably cheated, but not with the machines rolypolychloe Nov 2020 #92
I wouldn't draw any conclusions about repubs preferring low tech cheating diva77 Nov 2020 #100
...and it's said he gained votes from POC , I say that's where they hid the votes MaeScott Nov 2020 #93
That same discrepancy has been recurring for the last twenty years. paulkienitz Nov 2020 #101
I think that's why Trump is freaking out budkin Nov 2020 #102
No one DENVERPOPS Nov 2020 #104
I think we would have seen a replay of 2016 if covid hadn't made mail-in voting a thing. rocktivity Nov 2020 #107
It seems like it wouldn't take much to do a post election poll. rgbecker Nov 2020 #110
xactly, we should have post election audits anyway. There's no other developed country that has had uponit7771 Dec 2020 #115
**THANK YOU!!!*** I've been saying this for WEEKS !! Either US has worse polling of any developed .. uponit7771 Dec 2020 #114
To determine if it is voter suppression that is the problem.... rgbecker Dec 2020 #125
+1, this is another great point; LV voting is more granular and less noisy cause they know more ... uponit7771 Dec 2020 #126
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