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In reply to the discussion: Y'know what? I suspect there WAS fraud in this election. [View all]Botany
(70,483 posts)82. The polls were not that wrong
"They" cheat end of story. No way in hell that Trump picked up 11,000,000 votes after
being the worst POTUS in history and he was just bleeding support from his 2016 base too.
BTW I think Trump's 2016 #s were padded too but Russia and the machines.
For God's sake Susan Collins was underwater in all the polls in 2020.
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We voted absentee from abroad, and we could vote for President and congress critter only.
GoneOffShore
Nov 2020
#56
EXACTLY! It worked in 2016 they planned a tweak for 2020. The republicans have been stealing......
usaf-vet
Nov 2020
#41
Maybe I worded it wrong BUT I think my #3 and your tally as written mean the same thing IMO.
usaf-vet
Nov 2020
#65
+1, I've been saying for weeks the polling firms don't weight voter suppression accurately.
uponit7771
Dec 2020
#117
I wholly agree and said the same thing two weeks ago. The numbers/polling make absolutely
Hestia
Nov 2020
#6
8 years? Why not 12, 16? The (r)epuglicons will be fractured. The Democrats need to be strong
erronis
Nov 2020
#20
I didn't share any information. I was just wondering where you got the 2% from. I've heard the
KPN
Nov 2020
#71
I don't think there is any real evidence that leaked early exit poll data, that were only available
tritsofme
Nov 2020
#88
+1, people guessing. There's NOT ONE POLLING FIRM with an analysis of how they were off yet! NOT 1
uponit7771
Dec 2020
#118
I agree. And quietly we will go on and fix the messes the current Republican adm made.
LizBeth
Nov 2020
#17
Rove's 3 pct election fraud, plus the actual winning margin of 4 pct equals 7 percent.
roamer65
Nov 2020
#18
Except we objectively have the reality of Trumps cheating & voter suppression as factors ....
uponit7771
Dec 2020
#119
There was massive voter suppression in a lot of states as well as postal delays etc.
appleannie1
Nov 2020
#24
because voting machine companies tend to be rightwing owned and more counties are GOP controlled
LymphocyteLover
Nov 2020
#45
Voter suppression and voter fraud are two different acts that are no were close in implementation
uponit7771
Dec 2020
#120
definitely those are hugely important and may account for the discrepencies
LymphocyteLover
Nov 2020
#47
THIS !!!! ☝🏾☝🏾☝🏾 add 5.) there's no other developed country on earth who's polling is this ..
uponit7771
Dec 2020
#121
+1, I OP'd this a month ago; that the blue ran SoS states polling is closer to actual votes than red
uponit7771
Dec 2020
#122
trump tried and true suing when he breaks contracts is what he brought to the oval.
SleeplessinSoCal
Nov 2020
#54
Interesting how the machines were way ahead for Dump before the mail in ballots were
diva77
Nov 2020
#60
The best way to run elections is to have paper ballots, hand marked in secret and counted publicly
diva77
Nov 2020
#64
You don't need 30 ballots per voter. You resort & restack for each race that is being counted.
diva77
Nov 2020
#98
10 million people didn't suddenly decide they like Agolf now ( they didn't in 2016)
robbedvoter
Nov 2020
#89
...and it's said he gained votes from POC , I say that's where they hid the votes
MaeScott
Nov 2020
#93
I think we would have seen a replay of 2016 if covid hadn't made mail-in voting a thing.
rocktivity
Nov 2020
#107
xactly, we should have post election audits anyway. There's no other developed country that has had
uponit7771
Dec 2020
#115
**THANK YOU!!!*** I've been saying this for WEEKS !! Either US has worse polling of any developed ..
uponit7771
Dec 2020
#114
+1, this is another great point; LV voting is more granular and less noisy cause they know more ...
uponit7771
Dec 2020
#126