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In reply to the discussion: Obama Says 'Defund The Police' Alienates Voters, Drawing Sharp Rebuke From The Left. [View all]uponit7771
(90,335 posts)34. +1, also there's no evidence that a slogan or term lost those down ballot races. Polling on those ..
... those races were horrid to the nth degree and was not giving the candidates the correct information, they can't react when there's no information to react to.
If slogans or terms of socialism was hurting down ballot races the candidates would've addressed the message instead of doing little to nothing.
Either polling was horridly wrong or voting was off, something went wrong down ballot for dems in 16 and even worse in 20.
There's no other developed country in the world that puts up with polling this far off for this many times tilted towards on political party in outcome.
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Obama Says 'Defund The Police' Alienates Voters, Drawing Sharp Rebuke From The Left. [View all]
brush
Dec 2020
OP
Care to explain what you mean? I mean we're talking about Pres. Obama here, not just some nobody.
brush
Dec 2020
#3
Not really familiar with her screen name, but this is a discussion board. I just wanted...
brush
Dec 2020
#121
It's just *awesome* the way Democratic centrists keep letting Republicans frame the debate
Spider Jerusalem
Dec 2020
#14
But many got tagged with it and lost. There was no "defund the police" bs when those seats...
brush
Dec 2020
#27
It matters, because some people are saying it *should* be used by candidates
muriel_volestrangler
Dec 2020
#57
No, there's no evidence of the slogan or terms being a reason for down ballots losing.
uponit7771
Dec 2020
#29
Come on. You really don't think that hurt some Dem candidates who flipped red district...
brush
Dec 2020
#35
What I think doesn't matter as much as what I know; there's no evidence slogans or
uponit7771
Dec 2020
#37
Yeah, sure. Defund the police and radical socialism in negative repug ads had nothing to do...
brush
Dec 2020
#39
No, we would have evidence of such by now not guesses. If there was credible polling ...
uponit7771
Dec 2020
#43
That's polling on DTP not how it affected down ballot races. We need empirical information on how it
uponit7771
Dec 2020
#75
The best I can say your very specific empirical evidence requirements is
My Pet Orangutan
Dec 2020
#110
You can say its fact based evidence, that's well within the rules. Why would anyone on DU want to
uponit7771
Dec 2020
#114
Those are anecdotes not empirical evidence, show polls saying those slogans made Dems perform ...
uponit7771
Dec 2020
#46
Still not empirical evidence, the down ballot polling had dems performing well if a slogan
uponit7771
Dec 2020
#52
That's bad snark and not evidence either, why guess? why not just look at polling?
uponit7771
Dec 2020
#86
Oh, but "centrists" who won their elections because their message was not a problem for their
betsuni
Dec 2020
#38
+1, also there's no evidence that a slogan or term lost those down ballot races. Polling on those ..
uponit7771
Dec 2020
#34
Democrats didn't do it...Republicans ran with this unwise and damaging phrase which we as
Demsrule86
Dec 2020
#94
And supporting(actively or just by inactivity) the police alienates other voters.
quakerboy
Dec 2020
#56
They say it because they don't have to worry about the consequences...jeeze....
LeftInTX
Dec 2020
#144
It's simple. 80% of cops are traffic cops. Self-driving cars are on the horizon.
joshcryer
Dec 2020
#58
i agree..the message could have been clear using other less divisive wordage...
samnsara
Dec 2020
#65
They will not listen. Instead, they're standing by their purity and doubling down.
Kahuna
Dec 2020
#67
We have to face facts that some who claim to be on our side are not on our side...we must learn to
Demsrule86
Dec 2020
#98
As usual, Obama is absolutely right. I can't count the number of ads that ran in my area...
Tarheel_Dem
Dec 2020
#72
Lol "defund the police" is the COMPROMISE that mainstream Dems floated because "abolish the police"
WhiskeyGrinder
Dec 2020
#77
Oh, we'll still need emergency responses. Just not from a police model.
WhiskeyGrinder
Dec 2020
#112
Somalia does have a police force, so I'm not quite sure why you'd reference that country.
WhiskeyGrinder
Dec 2020
#116
Both Afghanistan and Somalia have had periods with no police. how'd that work out?
EX500rider
Dec 2020
#119
There's a difference between a failed state, and removing the police and filling that space with
WhiskeyGrinder
Dec 2020
#122
What ever you replace it with no matter what u called it would be the same thing
EX500rider
Dec 2020
#123
Actually, I think most of "The Left" thinks the "defund" wording is stupid too.
Silent3
Dec 2020
#97
This exactly. Stupid messaging is loser messaging and we lost some House seats because of it.
brush
Dec 2020
#125
I consider myself a Progressive. But these progressives don't have a clue.
LiberalFighter
Dec 2020
#101
Just learned a new word today, "amplification." Well, obviously I didn't just...
LAS14
Dec 2020
#102