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Spider Jerusalem

(21,786 posts)
36. And?
Wed Dec 2, 2020, 04:39 AM
Dec 2020

Those two candidates both won re-election. So clearly their message was not a problem for their voters. It is not their problem that other candidates were incapable of adequately transmitting their views on the issue to their electorates.

Same thing that Jim Clyburn said still_one Dec 2020 #1
Exactly & I seem to remember Cha Dec 2020 #9
I will listen to those who know what it takes to win still_one Dec 2020 #13
It only makes sense that "defund Cha Dec 2020 #15
Exactly Cha still_one Dec 2020 #68
I wonder whose brilliant idea it was PatSeg Dec 2020 #85
Yep, by some here. cwydro Dec 2020 #64
STFU! Thekaspervote Dec 2020 #2
Care to explain what you mean? I mean we're talking about Pres. Obama here, not just some nobody. brush Dec 2020 #3
I can't Cha Dec 2020 #6
She is not saying to Pres. Obama...have you never seen her other posts? Demsrule86 Dec 2020 #92
Not really familiar with her screen name, but this is a discussion board. I just wanted... brush Dec 2020 #121
President Obama is right.. the Cha Dec 2020 #4
+1. n/t jaysunb Dec 2020 #7
Mahalo, jay.. Cha Dec 2020 #10
+ 1 nt pazzyanne Dec 2020 #18
Exactly. NT MANative Dec 2020 #53
I 100% agree! Nt USALiberal Dec 2020 #81
Pres. Obama is right, elleng Dec 2020 #5
+1. n/t jaysunb Dec 2020 #8
K&R betsuni Dec 2020 #11
It's not too late to adjust the messaging. Desert grandma Dec 2020 #12
It's just *awesome* the way Democratic centrists keep letting Republicans frame the debate Spider Jerusalem Dec 2020 #14
So are you saying "defund the police" is a good slogan? brush Dec 2020 #17
Doesn't matter whether it's a good slogan or a bad slogan? Spider Jerusalem Dec 2020 #21
But many got tagged with it and lost. There was no "defund the police" bs when those seats... brush Dec 2020 #27
It matters, because some people are saying it *should* be used by candidates muriel_volestrangler Dec 2020 #57
And President Obama PatSeg Dec 2020 #90
No, there's no evidence of the slogan or terms being a reason for down ballots losing. uponit7771 Dec 2020 #29
Come on. You really don't think that hurt some Dem candidates who flipped red district... brush Dec 2020 #35
What I think doesn't matter as much as what I know; there's no evidence slogans or uponit7771 Dec 2020 #37
Yeah, sure. Defund the police and radical socialism in negative repug ads had nothing to do... brush Dec 2020 #39
No, we would have evidence of such by now not guesses. If there was credible polling ... uponit7771 Dec 2020 #43
It's really not that difficult to find the polling, My Pet Orangutan Dec 2020 #61
That's polling on DTP not how it affected down ballot races. We need empirical information on how it uponit7771 Dec 2020 #75
The best I can say your very specific empirical evidence requirements is My Pet Orangutan Dec 2020 #110
You can say its fact based evidence, that's well within the rules. Why would anyone on DU want to uponit7771 Dec 2020 #114
Actually there is.. quotes from Allison Spanberger.. Cha Dec 2020 #42
Thank you for the link! betsuni Dec 2020 #45
You're so Welcome! Cha Dec 2020 #47
Those are anecdotes not empirical evidence, show polls saying those slogans made Dems perform ... uponit7771 Dec 2020 #46
Rep Allison Spanberger was out there on Cha Dec 2020 #48
Still not empirical evidence, the down ballot polling had dems performing well if a slogan uponit7771 Dec 2020 #52
Very good points Dem4Life1102 Dec 2020 #62
We lost many house seats and many state dem seats! Nt USALiberal Dec 2020 #87
True Dem4Life1102 Dec 2020 #89
Lol, ok! USALiberal Dec 2020 #82
That's bad snark and not evidence either, why guess? why not just look at polling? uponit7771 Dec 2020 #86
Well said! PatSeg Dec 2020 #93
Really.. Rep Allison Spanberger was out Cha Dec 2020 #127
Words matter, especially in politics PatSeg Dec 2020 #129
Six votes for the IA 2 House seat exboyfil Dec 2020 #151
"the way Democratic centrists keep letting Republicans frame the debate" betsuni Dec 2020 #20
What it says on the tin Spider Jerusalem Dec 2020 #22
We allowed the g.o.p. scumbags to reframe the argument as SoFlaBro Dec 2020 #26
"we" who? It was not "ours" to correct uponit7771 Dec 2020 #31
Democratic Party. I'm a member. How about you? SoFlaBro Dec 2020 #40
Democratic party did not have DTP as a policy position. uponit7771 Dec 2020 #76
AOC: "Defunding the police means defunding police." betsuni Dec 2020 #30
And? Spider Jerusalem Dec 2020 #36
Oh, but "centrists" who won their elections because their message was not a problem for their betsuni Dec 2020 #38
Whiners, apparently? Spider Jerusalem Dec 2020 #55
Everybody's a whiner, apparently. betsuni Dec 2020 #60
They were in very safe districts. Boomerproud Dec 2020 #63
They were in very blue districts where Biden got more votes than they did JI7 Dec 2020 #69
The Minneapolis police department Bettie Dec 2020 #73
Oh Yes.. some need to blame the Moderate Cha Dec 2020 #32
+1 betsuni Dec 2020 #41
"Red" districts are hard to win in a year when every Bettie Dec 2020 #74
Wait, I thought no Democrats said this? mcar Dec 2020 #106
Oh they Said It alright & it was on Cha Dec 2020 #128
Yep mcar Dec 2020 #130
You mean the Moderate Dems who WON Cha Dec 2020 #24
+1, also there's no evidence that a slogan or term lost those down ballot races. Polling on those .. uponit7771 Dec 2020 #34
Democrats didn't do it...Republicans ran with this unwise and damaging phrase which we as Demsrule86 Dec 2020 #94
It was on AOC's website and was used in ads against House Democrats Demsrule86 Dec 2020 #103
Their logic is not one Democrat that lost ran on "Defund the police..." Kahuna Dec 2020 #109
"Democratic centrists?" "Hippie punching?" mcar Dec 2020 #105
Perhaps "demilitarise the police" is a more appropriate term Layzeebeaver Dec 2020 #16
if we said "Fund Mental Health and Domestic Dispute Emergency Response Teams" lapfog_1 Dec 2020 #19
Yep, slogans to be effective have to be short and to the point. brush Dec 2020 #23
I agree with Obama and I am on the left marlakay Dec 2020 #25
So true. Good post. brush Dec 2020 #28
I didn't hear this... tonedevil Dec 2020 #33
Probably for at least two good reasons TlalocW Dec 2020 #44
Because conservatives know about messaging misanthrope Dec 2020 #49
How would that work for Democrats? betsuni Dec 2020 #51
I agree with Pres Obama & I'm on Cha Dec 2020 #50
Obama is Right Willto Dec 2020 #54
And supporting(actively or just by inactivity) the police alienates other voters. quakerboy Dec 2020 #56
Defund the police is a losing message. That is the bottom line. Demsrule86 Dec 2020 #96
how many candidates that ran on it lost? quakerboy Dec 2020 #137
AOC is in a safe district, but lost 10 percentage points this election LeftInTX Dec 2020 #141
Do you have an answer for the question? quakerboy Dec 2020 #143
They say it because they don't have to worry about the consequences...jeeze.... LeftInTX Dec 2020 #144
So you cant answer the question. quakerboy Dec 2020 #150
Worth checking actual numbers quakerboy Dec 2020 #153
It's simple. 80% of cops are traffic cops. Self-driving cars are on the horizon. joshcryer Dec 2020 #58
And some retrained and reassigned, but good point. Hortensis Dec 2020 #108
Agree, but 2 or 3 socialists calling themselves "Progressives" did that. Hortensis Dec 2020 #59
i agree..the message could have been clear using other less divisive wordage... samnsara Dec 2020 #65
Defund the police oswaldactedalone Dec 2020 #66
They will not listen. Instead, they're standing by their purity and doubling down. Kahuna Dec 2020 #67
The term's as useful a weapon for them against Dems as it is for the GOP. Hortensis Dec 2020 #78
We have to face facts that some who claim to be on our side are not on our side...we must learn to Demsrule86 Dec 2020 #98
Obama is correct. NurseJackie Dec 2020 #70
He is correct. NT Happy Hoosier Dec 2020 #71
As usual, Obama is absolutely right. I can't count the number of ads that ran in my area... Tarheel_Dem Dec 2020 #72
Lol "defund the police" is the COMPROMISE that mainstream Dems floated because "abolish the police" WhiskeyGrinder Dec 2020 #77
Lol, come on. "Abolish the police" was silly, not scary. It identified Hortensis Dec 2020 #79
"Reform the police" doesn't incite trouble because it doesn't work. WhiskeyGrinder Dec 2020 #80
Right. What's the goal here? Trouble for its own sake? nt Hortensis Dec 2020 #84
My goal? Abolishing the police. WhiskeyGrinder Dec 2020 #88
:) When 911 becomes available, I'll assign it to the closest pizza place. nt Hortensis Dec 2020 #99
Oh, we'll still need emergency responses. Just not from a police model. WhiskeyGrinder Dec 2020 #112
And where else has that worked ever? EX500rider Dec 2020 #115
Somalia does have a police force, so I'm not quite sure why you'd reference that country. WhiskeyGrinder Dec 2020 #116
And again, where has "abolish the police" worked exactly? EX500rider Dec 2020 #117
Where has it been tried? WhiskeyGrinder Dec 2020 #118
Both Afghanistan and Somalia have had periods with no police. how'd that work out? EX500rider Dec 2020 #119
There's a difference between a failed state, and removing the police and filling that space with WhiskeyGrinder Dec 2020 #122
What ever you replace it with no matter what u called it would be the same thing EX500rider Dec 2020 #123
Under an abolition model, no, it would not be the same thing. WhiskeyGrinder Dec 2020 #124
So who responds to bank robbery, murder, speeding etc? EX500rider Dec 2020 #126
Depends on the issue. WhiskeyGrinder Dec 2020 #136
That really avoided the question rather then answered it. nt EX500rider Dec 2020 #142
Abolish? Willto Dec 2020 #145
Yeah, that's why I don't think it's a useful campaign slogan. WhiskeyGrinder Dec 2020 #148
I agree with Obama Dem2 Dec 2020 #83
Post removed Post removed Dec 2020 #91
He is absolutely correct Danmel Dec 2020 #95
Actually, I think most of "The Left" thinks the "defund" wording is stupid too. Silent3 Dec 2020 #97
That is a very good point...hope you are correct. Demsrule86 Dec 2020 #100
This exactly. Stupid messaging is loser messaging and we lost some House seats because of it. brush Dec 2020 #125
I consider myself a Progressive. But these progressives don't have a clue. LiberalFighter Dec 2020 #101
Just learned a new word today, "amplification." Well, obviously I didn't just... LAS14 Dec 2020 #102
These young politicians need to listen to Obama mcar Dec 2020 #104
Maybe they should listen to Sanders or Warren then... PunkinPi Dec 2020 #107
Being right doesn't help edhopper Dec 2020 #111
Obama's right it does alienate voters apnu Dec 2020 #113
I have mixed feelings mvd Dec 2020 #120
I'm with Obama. We got hoisted by piss-poor word choice. Paladin Dec 2020 #131
Right on cue AnyFunctioningAdult Dec 2020 #132
It should always have been Reform the Police truthisfreedom Dec 2020 #133
Pres Obama realizes bumper stickers and applause lines ain't policy. LanternWaste Dec 2020 #134
Spot on. Even the GOP, as you say, is not dull-witted enough to... brush Dec 2020 #135
+1 betsuni Dec 2020 #138
If "defund the police" gets nixed they can always fall back on Steelrolled Dec 2020 #139
Obama is right. Clyburn is right. MustLoveBeagles Dec 2020 #140
What's interesting is Bernie Sanders Spoke out against Defunding the Police earlier on and the ones JI7 Dec 2020 #146
Yes, that's very strange. betsuni Dec 2020 #147
De-militarize the police and the gun nuts with semi-automatic weapons. kentuck Dec 2020 #149
New DCCC Chairman Sean Patrick Maloney oswaldactedalone Dec 2020 #152
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