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Dem4Life1102

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89. True
Wed Dec 2, 2020, 11:29 AM
Dec 2020

But still won the Presidency and may yet take the Senate. I'm a glass is half full type of person. LOL

Same thing that Jim Clyburn said still_one Dec 2020 #1
Exactly & I seem to remember Cha Dec 2020 #9
I will listen to those who know what it takes to win still_one Dec 2020 #13
It only makes sense that "defund Cha Dec 2020 #15
Exactly Cha still_one Dec 2020 #68
I wonder whose brilliant idea it was PatSeg Dec 2020 #85
Yep, by some here. cwydro Dec 2020 #64
STFU! Thekaspervote Dec 2020 #2
Care to explain what you mean? I mean we're talking about Pres. Obama here, not just some nobody. brush Dec 2020 #3
I can't Cha Dec 2020 #6
She is not saying to Pres. Obama...have you never seen her other posts? Demsrule86 Dec 2020 #92
Not really familiar with her screen name, but this is a discussion board. I just wanted... brush Dec 2020 #121
President Obama is right.. the Cha Dec 2020 #4
+1. n/t jaysunb Dec 2020 #7
Mahalo, jay.. Cha Dec 2020 #10
+ 1 nt pazzyanne Dec 2020 #18
Exactly. NT MANative Dec 2020 #53
I 100% agree! Nt USALiberal Dec 2020 #81
Pres. Obama is right, elleng Dec 2020 #5
+1. n/t jaysunb Dec 2020 #8
K&R betsuni Dec 2020 #11
It's not too late to adjust the messaging. Desert grandma Dec 2020 #12
It's just *awesome* the way Democratic centrists keep letting Republicans frame the debate Spider Jerusalem Dec 2020 #14
So are you saying "defund the police" is a good slogan? brush Dec 2020 #17
Doesn't matter whether it's a good slogan or a bad slogan? Spider Jerusalem Dec 2020 #21
But many got tagged with it and lost. There was no "defund the police" bs when those seats... brush Dec 2020 #27
It matters, because some people are saying it *should* be used by candidates muriel_volestrangler Dec 2020 #57
And President Obama PatSeg Dec 2020 #90
No, there's no evidence of the slogan or terms being a reason for down ballots losing. uponit7771 Dec 2020 #29
Come on. You really don't think that hurt some Dem candidates who flipped red district... brush Dec 2020 #35
What I think doesn't matter as much as what I know; there's no evidence slogans or uponit7771 Dec 2020 #37
Yeah, sure. Defund the police and radical socialism in negative repug ads had nothing to do... brush Dec 2020 #39
No, we would have evidence of such by now not guesses. If there was credible polling ... uponit7771 Dec 2020 #43
It's really not that difficult to find the polling, My Pet Orangutan Dec 2020 #61
That's polling on DTP not how it affected down ballot races. We need empirical information on how it uponit7771 Dec 2020 #75
The best I can say your very specific empirical evidence requirements is My Pet Orangutan Dec 2020 #110
You can say its fact based evidence, that's well within the rules. Why would anyone on DU want to uponit7771 Dec 2020 #114
Actually there is.. quotes from Allison Spanberger.. Cha Dec 2020 #42
Thank you for the link! betsuni Dec 2020 #45
You're so Welcome! Cha Dec 2020 #47
Those are anecdotes not empirical evidence, show polls saying those slogans made Dems perform ... uponit7771 Dec 2020 #46
Rep Allison Spanberger was out there on Cha Dec 2020 #48
Still not empirical evidence, the down ballot polling had dems performing well if a slogan uponit7771 Dec 2020 #52
Very good points Dem4Life1102 Dec 2020 #62
We lost many house seats and many state dem seats! Nt USALiberal Dec 2020 #87
True Dem4Life1102 Dec 2020 #89
Lol, ok! USALiberal Dec 2020 #82
That's bad snark and not evidence either, why guess? why not just look at polling? uponit7771 Dec 2020 #86
Well said! PatSeg Dec 2020 #93
Really.. Rep Allison Spanberger was out Cha Dec 2020 #127
Words matter, especially in politics PatSeg Dec 2020 #129
Six votes for the IA 2 House seat exboyfil Dec 2020 #151
"the way Democratic centrists keep letting Republicans frame the debate" betsuni Dec 2020 #20
What it says on the tin Spider Jerusalem Dec 2020 #22
We allowed the g.o.p. scumbags to reframe the argument as SoFlaBro Dec 2020 #26
"we" who? It was not "ours" to correct uponit7771 Dec 2020 #31
Democratic Party. I'm a member. How about you? SoFlaBro Dec 2020 #40
Democratic party did not have DTP as a policy position. uponit7771 Dec 2020 #76
AOC: "Defunding the police means defunding police." betsuni Dec 2020 #30
And? Spider Jerusalem Dec 2020 #36
Oh, but "centrists" who won their elections because their message was not a problem for their betsuni Dec 2020 #38
Whiners, apparently? Spider Jerusalem Dec 2020 #55
Everybody's a whiner, apparently. betsuni Dec 2020 #60
They were in very safe districts. Boomerproud Dec 2020 #63
They were in very blue districts where Biden got more votes than they did JI7 Dec 2020 #69
The Minneapolis police department Bettie Dec 2020 #73
Oh Yes.. some need to blame the Moderate Cha Dec 2020 #32
+1 betsuni Dec 2020 #41
"Red" districts are hard to win in a year when every Bettie Dec 2020 #74
Wait, I thought no Democrats said this? mcar Dec 2020 #106
Oh they Said It alright & it was on Cha Dec 2020 #128
Yep mcar Dec 2020 #130
You mean the Moderate Dems who WON Cha Dec 2020 #24
+1, also there's no evidence that a slogan or term lost those down ballot races. Polling on those .. uponit7771 Dec 2020 #34
Democrats didn't do it...Republicans ran with this unwise and damaging phrase which we as Demsrule86 Dec 2020 #94
It was on AOC's website and was used in ads against House Democrats Demsrule86 Dec 2020 #103
Their logic is not one Democrat that lost ran on "Defund the police..." Kahuna Dec 2020 #109
"Democratic centrists?" "Hippie punching?" mcar Dec 2020 #105
Perhaps "demilitarise the police" is a more appropriate term Layzeebeaver Dec 2020 #16
if we said "Fund Mental Health and Domestic Dispute Emergency Response Teams" lapfog_1 Dec 2020 #19
Yep, slogans to be effective have to be short and to the point. brush Dec 2020 #23
I agree with Obama and I am on the left marlakay Dec 2020 #25
So true. Good post. brush Dec 2020 #28
I didn't hear this... tonedevil Dec 2020 #33
Probably for at least two good reasons TlalocW Dec 2020 #44
Because conservatives know about messaging misanthrope Dec 2020 #49
How would that work for Democrats? betsuni Dec 2020 #51
I agree with Pres Obama & I'm on Cha Dec 2020 #50
Obama is Right Willto Dec 2020 #54
And supporting(actively or just by inactivity) the police alienates other voters. quakerboy Dec 2020 #56
Defund the police is a losing message. That is the bottom line. Demsrule86 Dec 2020 #96
how many candidates that ran on it lost? quakerboy Dec 2020 #137
AOC is in a safe district, but lost 10 percentage points this election LeftInTX Dec 2020 #141
Do you have an answer for the question? quakerboy Dec 2020 #143
They say it because they don't have to worry about the consequences...jeeze.... LeftInTX Dec 2020 #144
So you cant answer the question. quakerboy Dec 2020 #150
Worth checking actual numbers quakerboy Dec 2020 #153
It's simple. 80% of cops are traffic cops. Self-driving cars are on the horizon. joshcryer Dec 2020 #58
And some retrained and reassigned, but good point. Hortensis Dec 2020 #108
Agree, but 2 or 3 socialists calling themselves "Progressives" did that. Hortensis Dec 2020 #59
i agree..the message could have been clear using other less divisive wordage... samnsara Dec 2020 #65
Defund the police oswaldactedalone Dec 2020 #66
They will not listen. Instead, they're standing by their purity and doubling down. Kahuna Dec 2020 #67
The term's as useful a weapon for them against Dems as it is for the GOP. Hortensis Dec 2020 #78
We have to face facts that some who claim to be on our side are not on our side...we must learn to Demsrule86 Dec 2020 #98
Obama is correct. NurseJackie Dec 2020 #70
He is correct. NT Happy Hoosier Dec 2020 #71
As usual, Obama is absolutely right. I can't count the number of ads that ran in my area... Tarheel_Dem Dec 2020 #72
Lol "defund the police" is the COMPROMISE that mainstream Dems floated because "abolish the police" WhiskeyGrinder Dec 2020 #77
Lol, come on. "Abolish the police" was silly, not scary. It identified Hortensis Dec 2020 #79
"Reform the police" doesn't incite trouble because it doesn't work. WhiskeyGrinder Dec 2020 #80
Right. What's the goal here? Trouble for its own sake? nt Hortensis Dec 2020 #84
My goal? Abolishing the police. WhiskeyGrinder Dec 2020 #88
:) When 911 becomes available, I'll assign it to the closest pizza place. nt Hortensis Dec 2020 #99
Oh, we'll still need emergency responses. Just not from a police model. WhiskeyGrinder Dec 2020 #112
And where else has that worked ever? EX500rider Dec 2020 #115
Somalia does have a police force, so I'm not quite sure why you'd reference that country. WhiskeyGrinder Dec 2020 #116
And again, where has "abolish the police" worked exactly? EX500rider Dec 2020 #117
Where has it been tried? WhiskeyGrinder Dec 2020 #118
Both Afghanistan and Somalia have had periods with no police. how'd that work out? EX500rider Dec 2020 #119
There's a difference between a failed state, and removing the police and filling that space with WhiskeyGrinder Dec 2020 #122
What ever you replace it with no matter what u called it would be the same thing EX500rider Dec 2020 #123
Under an abolition model, no, it would not be the same thing. WhiskeyGrinder Dec 2020 #124
So who responds to bank robbery, murder, speeding etc? EX500rider Dec 2020 #126
Depends on the issue. WhiskeyGrinder Dec 2020 #136
That really avoided the question rather then answered it. nt EX500rider Dec 2020 #142
Abolish? Willto Dec 2020 #145
Yeah, that's why I don't think it's a useful campaign slogan. WhiskeyGrinder Dec 2020 #148
I agree with Obama Dem2 Dec 2020 #83
Post removed Post removed Dec 2020 #91
He is absolutely correct Danmel Dec 2020 #95
Actually, I think most of "The Left" thinks the "defund" wording is stupid too. Silent3 Dec 2020 #97
That is a very good point...hope you are correct. Demsrule86 Dec 2020 #100
This exactly. Stupid messaging is loser messaging and we lost some House seats because of it. brush Dec 2020 #125
I consider myself a Progressive. But these progressives don't have a clue. LiberalFighter Dec 2020 #101
Just learned a new word today, "amplification." Well, obviously I didn't just... LAS14 Dec 2020 #102
These young politicians need to listen to Obama mcar Dec 2020 #104
Maybe they should listen to Sanders or Warren then... PunkinPi Dec 2020 #107
Being right doesn't help edhopper Dec 2020 #111
Obama's right it does alienate voters apnu Dec 2020 #113
I have mixed feelings mvd Dec 2020 #120
I'm with Obama. We got hoisted by piss-poor word choice. Paladin Dec 2020 #131
Right on cue AnyFunctioningAdult Dec 2020 #132
It should always have been Reform the Police truthisfreedom Dec 2020 #133
Pres Obama realizes bumper stickers and applause lines ain't policy. LanternWaste Dec 2020 #134
Spot on. Even the GOP, as you say, is not dull-witted enough to... brush Dec 2020 #135
+1 betsuni Dec 2020 #138
If "defund the police" gets nixed they can always fall back on Steelrolled Dec 2020 #139
Obama is right. Clyburn is right. MustLoveBeagles Dec 2020 #140
What's interesting is Bernie Sanders Spoke out against Defunding the Police earlier on and the ones JI7 Dec 2020 #146
Yes, that's very strange. betsuni Dec 2020 #147
De-militarize the police and the gun nuts with semi-automatic weapons. kentuck Dec 2020 #149
New DCCC Chairman Sean Patrick Maloney oswaldactedalone Dec 2020 #152
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