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Phoenix61

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47. No one is questioning that police reforms are

Wed Dec 2, 2020, 01:06 PM

Dec 2020

unquestionably needed and have been. It’s about how to build wide support so that it actually happens. Defund police doesn’t say what we want to happen. A slogan that speaks to what we want to move towards rather than what we want to move away from would be more powerful. I’m not a marketing major but “Growing Safe Communities”?

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Squad Members Clap Back at Obama's 'Defund the Police' Clapback [View all] George II Dec 2020 OP

The Squad needs to take a lesson from Obama. Nt mcar Dec 2020 #1

And recognize that they are being destructive when they keep taking pot-shots The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2020 #2

I think clap back has used its usefulness jimfields33 Dec 2020 #20

I rarely see them attacking Republicans mcar Dec 2020 #52

I think that's what bothers me the most PatSeg Dec 2020 #57

+1 treestar Dec 2020 #95

If you have to explain what "defund the police" means. . . DinahMoeHum Dec 2020 #3

Exactly Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Dec 2020 #71

Yes indeed. People forget how Obama got his start - as a community organizer. From where I sit... George II Dec 2020 #102

Yep PatSeg Dec 2020 #54

Obama lost downticket badly during his years, and radius777 Dec 2020 #91

Ms. Porter Grills Rs ProfessorGAC Dec 2020 #101

Yes, he learned from experience PatSeg Dec 2020 #106

Yes. Because Obama's two terms would have been SO much more successful stopdiggin Dec 2020 #113

Obama didn't lose "downticket". He won every one of his own races, both statewide & nationally. Tarheel_Dem Dec 2020 #138

The poster was talking about the "thumping" wellst0nev0ter Dec 2020 #147

Aw Jeez! I know "The Squad" has a fan club here, but like another failed presidential candidate, Tarheel_Dem Dec 2020 #158

"This is despite taking cues from Lieberman and the rest of the non-radicals." betsuni Dec 2020 #159

Urban districts like those represented by the Squad are why Biden won. radius777 Dec 2020 #157

This. cwydro Dec 2020 #75

Why couldn't the slogan have been "Reform the Police" exboyfil Dec 2020 #4

"Reform the Police" has been failing for decades. Jirel Dec 2020 #14

Sorry Nope... caber09 Dec 2020 #66

It depends on what your goal is. WhiskeyGrinder Dec 2020 #70

Yes it does.. caber09 Dec 2020 #72

. WhiskeyGrinder Dec 2020 #74

You continue to move forward, not cost us and help us move backward.. caber09 Dec 2020 #79

People like George Floyd cannot afford baby steps. WhiskeyGrinder Dec 2020 #83

You want the police to be abolished? are you serious? caber09 Dec 2020 #84

Yes. WhiskeyGrinder Dec 2020 #85

The Republicans thank you for your help..chaos is not a winning strategy. caber09 Dec 2020 #86

Yeah, it's not really an issue that lends itself well to electoral politics. WhiskeyGrinder Dec 2020 #124

You are so full of it...you need a plumber... caber09 Dec 2020 #130

We can develop all sorts of emergency responses that have nothing to do with the control-and-punish WhiskeyGrinder Dec 2020 #131

Sorry you are full of it... caber09 Dec 2020 #132

I mean, if a guy is attacking me, you're right -- in the moment, I'm worrying about my own WhiskeyGrinder Dec 2020 #133

Well at least you admitted something.. caber09 Dec 2020 #134

"Well at least you admitted something.." WhiskeyGrinder Dec 2020 #135

"Again, I'm unbothered. Activism work sometimes works hand-in-hand with electoral politics.." caber09 Dec 2020 #136

Police kill people no matter who is mayor, governor or president, or which party has the majority WhiskeyGrinder Dec 2020 #137

99% of them protect & serve, please get your head on straight... caber09 Dec 2020 #139

"Of course we need to reform more and make them more accountable" WhiskeyGrinder Dec 2020 #140

Make them accountable for their wrong doing, fire them if guilty... caber09 Dec 2020 #141

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You think you are living in a utopian universe that does not exist.. caber09 Dec 2020 #145

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that's pretty crazy stopdiggin Dec 2020 #114

I'm not concerned about where I stand when it comes to electoral politics. WhiskeyGrinder Dec 2020 #125

Historically both parties have been complicit in systemic racism and policing issues. radius777 Dec 2020 #96

"Reform" is popular because it is utterly meaningless Bettie Dec 2020 #103

You get it. The cops laugh at 'reform'. radius777 Dec 2020 #107

I'm also GenX and have been hearing Bettie Dec 2020 #109

Where do you guys live? I would love to know the districts you are in and see how it matches.. caber09 Dec 2020 #112

So, no one where you live believe that Bettie Dec 2020 #116

Thats a ridiculous answer.. caber09 Dec 2020 #119

AGREED. Basement Beat Dec 2020 #73

Exactly. FTP is the slogan I would use. But seriously radius777 Dec 2020 #93

They won't be helped by an ineffective slogan treestar Dec 2020 #97

Exactly, some people who should be on our side seem not to mind more Rs in office apparently caber09 Dec 2020 #111

They won't be helped by an ineffective slogan treestar Dec 2020 #98

Because we've been "reforming the police" for decades Mariana Dec 2020 #16

Apparently, we're supposed to ignore that Bettie Dec 2020 #105

I 100% agree!! nt USALiberal Dec 2020 #63

From the article -- Klaralven Dec 2020 #5

So who do they call when someone exboyfil Dec 2020 #6

They'll probably call someone who will show up six hours later, deucemagnet Dec 2020 #123

Will the police ever solve that crime? wellst0nev0ter Dec 2020 #148

I've seen at least one of "the squad" actually say this summer "abolish the police"..... George II Dec 2020 #7

It was attributed to Omar in June FBaggins Dec 2020 #19

Yes, I believe that was what PatSeg Dec 2020 #58

If their goal is to actually abolish the police, jrthin Dec 2020 #9

There was a very sobering report on The Newshour last week (I think) about... LAS14 Dec 2020 #10

Yeah, I agree. It is a knotty problem and both sides are right. KPN Dec 2020 #24

He wasn't criticizing the protests, LAS14 Dec 2020 #43

We have different perspectives. KPN Dec 2020 #45

That is an interesting way to say 'maybe I was wrong about that." SlogginThroughIt Dec 2020 #69

It is awfully presumptive... tonedevil Dec 2020 #77

I didn't presume that. SlogginThroughIt Dec 2020 #87

Guess you were just saying. /nt tonedevil Dec 2020 #88

We have different perspectives on that. There are those who can extrapolate ... KPN Dec 2020 #89

It is not a slogan, but also not great communication. Caliman73 Dec 2020 #53

They're right. Jirel Dec 2020 #8

That's why there's a problem with the slogan. It's that racists can successfully twist it and turn. LAS14 Dec 2020 #11

Racists successfully can twist ANY phrase. Jirel Dec 2020 #18

Bingo. The Rs run around nakedly violating every KPN Dec 2020 #27

Some pack more of a punch when twisted. Defund the Police, while accurately... LAS14 Dec 2020 #41

The phrasing is not the main problem treestar Dec 2020 #99

have to disagree stopdiggin Dec 2020 #115

I agree. I think I was thinking of the idea treestar Dec 2020 #128

Any problem isn't any slogan, it's what the slogan represents and how people interpret it... George II Dec 2020 #13

Ah, short memories. Jirel Dec 2020 #21

No its not... caber09 Dec 2020 #68

And that is why seasoned politicians PatSeg Dec 2020 #59

LOL BannonsLiver Dec 2020 #17

No, it is just a really bad slogan dansolo Dec 2020 #39

The purpose of a slogan is to successfully market Phoenix61 Dec 2020 #42

Hmmm. Sounds very similar to what I heard a few years ago on another topic gratuitous Dec 2020 #12

Sorry, I disagree - not even close. George II Dec 2020 #15

You're totally right gratuitous Dec 2020 #22

Reform the police has broad support on both sides of the aisle AmericanCanuck Dec 2020 #31

Oooh, if only we used the right word gratuitous Dec 2020 #51

Maybe seven votes out of 400K exboyfil Dec 2020 #65

No one is questioning that police reforms are Phoenix61 Dec 2020 #47

Police reforms are toothless wellst0nev0ter Dec 2020 #149

And what exactly does "shape up" mean. Phoenix61 Dec 2020 #150

Wow so complicated wellst0nev0ter Dec 2020 #151

Apparently too complicated for you to say what Phoenix61 Dec 2020 #152

I know when something is not worth my time wellst0nev0ter Dec 2020 #154

Like I said, short of a bad slogan you don't Phoenix61 Dec 2020 #155

Straw man treestar Dec 2020 #100

Those who are too comfortable with the status quo keep making the same mistakes. Jirel Dec 2020 #25

Baby step progress is not status quo. AmericanCanuck Dec 2020 #34

Stop with this BS...this is nonsense.. caber09 Dec 2020 #81

+1 betsuni Dec 2020 #120

We literally lost this seat over Defund the Police. Gothmog Dec 2020 #35

Sort of OT BannonsLiver Dec 2020 #23

She is not volatile and incendiary enough? AmericanCanuck Dec 2020 #29

You may be right BannonsLiver Dec 2020 #36

If Katie could bottle up her passion and give it to every Democratic congressperson out there mtnsnake Dec 2020 #56

Porter is plenty inciendary, just she's a cherubic white woman, radius777 Dec 2020 #129

Because She Remembers Who The Enemy Is? ProfessorGAC Dec 2020 #104

Yes, I appreciate the all business approach. BannonsLiver Dec 2020 #108

I Think I Would Take Political Advice from the Greatest Politician of Our Generation Skraxx Dec 2020 #26

This is akin to smaller animals in the jungle kvetching at a lion. AmericanCanuck Dec 2020 #28

I am starting to wonder if they are republicans in disguise? GemDigger Dec 2020 #30

They're not Republicans BannonsLiver Dec 2020 #40

I know they aren't. People are stupid and to them "defund the police" means get rid of the PD in GemDigger Dec 2020 #46

Yep BannonsLiver Dec 2020 #49

Obama Says 'Defund The Police' Alienates Voters, Drawing Sharp Rebuke From The Left Gothmog Dec 2020 #32

I remember in the 60s the slogan was "If you don't like the cops, call a hippie.". marie999 Dec 2020 #33

"and if you go carryin' pictures of Chairman Mao ..." stopdiggin Dec 2020 #117

Obama is 100% AlexSFCA Dec 2020 #37

Ya know, if police are murdering Americans, KPN Dec 2020 #38

I see the "they oughta wanna" syndrome here. LAS14 Dec 2020 #44

Worst slogan in modern politcal history. tman Dec 2020 #48

I lulz'd KG Dec 2020 #50

The Squad needs to learn not to be so pig headed. You shouldn't continue to defend a term Vinca Dec 2020 #55

How many people are actually in the 'squad'? Any new members? Demsrule86 Dec 2020 #61

The problem is right here peggysue2 Dec 2020 #60

That was the message that was picked up by the Minneapolis City Council. Someone introduced.... George II Dec 2020 #82

Ya think? peggysue2 Dec 2020 #90

Defund the police sounded like we wanted complete anarchy in the streets Jamesyu Dec 2020 #62

Obama is correct. Defund the police has "lose" all over it. TheCowsCameHome Dec 2020 #64

Obama is right WA-03 Democrat Dec 2020 #67

It is the worst slogan in modern political history AnyFunctioningAdult Dec 2020 #76

Amen, right on, 10000% Agreed...defund the PD is a great path to Republican majority rule, no thanks caber09 Dec 2020 #80

Bleh Dem2 Dec 2020 #78

I'm happy to see that progressives on the ground in Georgia seem to understand Obama's point. LAS14 Dec 2020 #92

A few more paragraphs, it's a very good article. Both Warnock and Ossoff know what wins in GA: George II Dec 2020 #94

real adults, doing real politics! who knew? (nt) stopdiggin Dec 2020 #118

Why 'Defund The Police' Attacks Were So Potent Against Democrats Gothmog Dec 2020 #110

Unbelievable that we are arguing (the party is) over branding... JCMach1 Dec 2020 #121

They seem really really attached to certain slogans. As if the slogan was more important than the betsuni Dec 2020 #122

"Clap back".. lol. President Obama is Cha Dec 2020 #126

Yep, and they're using that bullshit against Warnock and Ossoff in the GA run-offs. GoCubsGo Dec 2020 #142

Of course the maggots are using this Cha Dec 2020 #144

Everyone in this thread saying reform hasn't worked BGBD Dec 2020 #127

You are 100% correct! It has been working and will still be working, and reform will continue.... George II Dec 2020 #156

Obama is right. I can't believe this is even a debate. Blasphemer Dec 2020 #153