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StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)

3. Bad move

Reply to Captain Zero (Original post)

Thu Dec 24, 2020, 12:16 PM

Dec 2020

A president who is impeached but not removed is still president with broad powers - the pardon is only one of them and, arguably, the least likely to threaten our democracy.

Moreover, a president who is impeached but not removed has essentially been acquitted of any charges, no matter how corrupt we may think he is. Do you think Clinton should have had the pardon power taken away? What if the Republican House had mounted an impeachment against Obama on some bogus charge and he was acquitted by the Senate? Should he have lost his powers?

An impeached president is still president and is entitled to exercise all of the rights and powers connected thereto unless and until he is removed from office.

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We need a New Constitutional Amendment [View all] Captain Zero Dec 2020 OP

I fear there will be more BS impeachments Freddie Dec 2020 #1

we never will be able to pass an amendment ever again drray23 Dec 2020 #2

+1000 Celerity Dec 2020 #20

Bad move StarfishSaver Dec 2020 #3

If It Can Be Proven That A Person's Intention Was To Be Corrupt From The Start And In The End..... global1 Dec 2020 #7

I agree that he is using the pardon to obstruct justice StarfishSaver Dec 2020 #9

Then This Needs To Be Decided In The Supreme Court.... global1 Dec 2020 #15

There's nothing to be decided in the Supreme Court StarfishSaver Dec 2020 #18

Why? onenote Dec 2020 #4

Under this scenario, a bare majority of Congress could kneecap a president at will StarfishSaver Dec 2020 #11

There's a fundamental Catch-22 tripping up this proposal. Towlie Dec 2020 #5

If We Can Look For Good From This 4 Year Disaster Of A Trump Administration - Trump Taught Us All... global1 Dec 2020 #6

It's all too easy to propose a Constitutional amendment. MineralMan Dec 2020 #8

+1 StarfishSaver Dec 2020 #12

So Bill Clinton should have been denied pardon power? brooklynite Dec 2020 #10

Can you imagine the havoc Republican House would have wreaked on Clinton or Obama StarfishSaver Dec 2020 #13

IMHO it is an extremely bad idea sarisataka Dec 2020 #14

Counter offer TheFarseer Dec 2020 #16

So no pardons in a president's second term onenote Dec 2020 #17

2nd term doesn't count as a lame duck session in my proposal TheFarseer Dec 2020 #21

Every "an impeached president loses XXX power" argument encourages "strategic" impeachments JHB Dec 2020 #19