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JackRiddler

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42. I think at this point Capriles is more fair to Chavez...
Tue Oct 9, 2012, 11:12 AM
Oct 2012

than a few posters on DU. Some cannot accept the reality that this is the duly elected, democratic government of Venezuela. The VZ government is popular because it has served and improved the lives of the vast majority of the people. The Chavista coalition has now won many fair and free elections in the last 14 years.

And, as some here have pointed out, it's not very socialist. The nationalizations that have prompted such hysteria among capitalists have been limited, and always come with "market price" compensation for the owners.

Let's face it, US militarism and empire need bogeymen, and they've made one out of Chavez even while the same US empire has helped create charnel houses in Mexico, and next door in Colombia, with its insane drug policy (a vital tool of empire).

And you know Chavez is coming up again at these so-called debates. As if Chavez is any kind of big issue to US voters. (He's not!) As if Romney wins any votes by adding to the right-wing hysteria. Sadly it's too much to hope that Obama will call nonsense on the demonization of the Venezuelan majority. Even though there's nothing to lose by it. Because all these politicians want to look strong against "our enemies."

Chavez is not an enemy to the people of the United States. He is a friend, if we accept him. Those among Americans who call him an enemy are the real enemies to our own country, to democracy and peace.

This is America pal! jacknifejim Oct 2012 #1
Interesting choice for a first post. Shall we count that as a vote for "Yes"? Electric Monk Oct 2012 #3
LOL at PPR note: "This is Democratic Underground pal" pinboy3niner Oct 2012 #19
Looks like jacknifejim closed his knife on MineralMan Oct 2012 #51
Notice: Aristus Oct 2012 #61
Counting the minutes on this one. Indpndnt Oct 2012 #7
It readily supports combustion Lasher Oct 2012 #11
hehe faith woos science Oct 2012 #8
is that you again, Bill Fucking O'Reilly? Skittles Oct 2012 #14
It's not your country Kindly Refrain Oct 2012 #43
I love my country - the one that's supposed to be a democracy. JackRiddler Oct 2012 #44
LOL!! Hey, JackRiddler, looks like you caught another one! nt. OldDem2012 Oct 2012 #60
By George, I think he's got it! Kurovski Oct 2012 #2
I bet EFerrari would find this to be exceedingly witty. Kurovski Oct 2012 #4
If you criticize Chavez you're using right wing talking points! joshcryer Oct 2012 #5
Lots of posters ronnie624 Oct 2012 #6
I've noticed that, too obamanut2012 Oct 2012 #38
Not necessarily tama Oct 2012 #9
Yeah right. joshcryer Oct 2012 #10
I'm confused by it as well jsmirman Oct 2012 #22
Venezuela dependent upon corporations? The US is owned by them!!! DeSwiss Oct 2012 #24
All I can do is laugh at that nonsense. bvar22 Oct 2012 #47
The Communist Party of Venezuela delivered the second largest group of votes for Chavez Starry Messenger Oct 2012 #39
You never see criticism of Chavez from the Left, we never did. The Right otoh, always sabrina 1 Oct 2012 #26
I have never seen criticism of Chavez from the Left. sabrina 1 Oct 2012 #27
I have seen criticism from the left tama Oct 2012 #30
My comment was about the US Left. The Left in the US has always supported Chavez. sabrina 1 Oct 2012 #33
I was not joking. tama Oct 2012 #34
Not just right wing... JackRiddler Oct 2012 #45
You're on crack, right? Spider Jerusalem Oct 2012 #12
for anyone who actually cares about things like democracy and the rule of law faith woos science Oct 2012 #15
And? Spider Jerusalem Oct 2012 #20
Whatever happened in 2002 has nothing to do with what happened later... faith woos science Oct 2012 #23
You don't know much about the media in Venezuela, do you? sabrina 1 Oct 2012 #31
+100 Kurovski Oct 2012 #49
Put me down for a +100 also. RC Oct 2012 #55
So you're at least 20 times angrier about Colombia, right? JackRiddler Oct 2012 #40
Chavez should grow a pair tama Oct 2012 #69
Excellent documentary! Which was pretty much banned here but won many awards sabrina 1 Oct 2012 #28
This message was self-deleted by its author DeSwiss Oct 2012 #25
Response tama Oct 2012 #32
Response to response Spider Jerusalem Oct 2012 #35
Sorry tama Oct 2012 #36
Can you explain why Don Siegelman, former Democratic Governor of Alabama sabrina 1 Oct 2012 #50
That has nothing to do with Venezuela Spider Jerusalem Oct 2012 #58
It has to do with your apparent assumption that the president of any country sabrina 1 Oct 2012 #59
Sorry, that's bullshit Spider Jerusalem Oct 2012 #62
Sorry, the NYT is not credible on anything to do with Venezuela as has been clearly demonstated over sabrina 1 Oct 2012 #63
And the UN Human Rights Council isn't either, I suppose? Spider Jerusalem Oct 2012 #64
It's the Venezuelan system tama Oct 2012 #66
Denial of reality and moving of goalposts and sputtering "but but...what about THIS unrelated thing" Spider Jerusalem Oct 2012 #67
I'm not Chavista tama Oct 2012 #70
By the way, your reply heading is on crack. Right? JackRiddler Oct 2012 #48
Right wing talking point tama Oct 2012 #65
No, the first thing is not a right wing talking point. Spider Jerusalem Oct 2012 #68
If you want to talk about tama Oct 2012 #71
You mean flagrant disrespect for the rule of law and judicial independence Spider Jerusalem Oct 2012 #72
I don't like authoritarians either. tama Oct 2012 #73
The difference, of course, is that Chavez actually is a militant socialist Azathoth Oct 2012 #13
He is? sabrina 1 Oct 2012 #53
Cool screen name. darkangel218 Oct 2012 #54
Chavez is a fucking Muslim that wasn't even born in Venezuela!! MrSlayer Oct 2012 #16
don't get me started on Chavezcare. uncle ray Oct 2012 #17
LOL reformist2 Oct 2012 #46
I can't believe Chavez hasn't nationalized Venezuela's oil industry thelordofhell Oct 2012 #18
I think folks may have gotten our dear departed Cesar and your Hugo confused and conflated bigtree Oct 2012 #21
Yeah, I was thinking this too... JackRiddler Oct 2012 #41
Chavez forever(both). and Obama forever and a day. Fuck the Debbie Downers/sad sams/Cutten Runners. graham4anything Oct 2012 #29
I've seen no dimishment in catapulting here. Warren Stupidity Oct 2012 #37
I think at this point Capriles is more fair to Chavez... JackRiddler Oct 2012 #42
Ask us if we really care what you think? We don't. Yawn southernyankeebelle Oct 2012 #52
Obviously you do, and thanks for the kick. JackRiddler Oct 2012 #56
Post removed Post removed Oct 2012 #57
New VZ thread: Venezuelan democracy is "The best in the world." JackRiddler Oct 2012 #74
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