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Bernardo de La Paz

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91. They are defending an erroneous set of factoids, not the Constitution

Thu Feb 11, 2021, 03:36 PM

Feb 2021

If you truly thought that tRump or Biden had stolen the election, you better base that on verifiable true facts that can pass detailed scrutiny, not some convoluted chain of conspiracies. Not some shaky video of people moving boxes with a voice-over interpreting it as evil.

Not a set of factoids so bogus they don't dare present them in court because the few times they tried they got laughed out and shut down.

And yes, the educational system has not equipped many people with the skills to detect and deflect propaganda; the skills of critical reasoning; the skill of avoiding confirmation bias and seeking counter-facts to test the strength of the hypothesis.

It has not equipped many people to recognize or even to avoid anti-democratic authoritarianism.

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I'd like to say something about veterans who participated in the insurrection [View all] maxrandb Feb 2021 OP

Hammer em with the truth. blm Feb 2021 #1

You made me cheer right out loud! MLAA Feb 2021 #2

me too! housecat Feb 2021 #107

Amen, brother. TxVietVet Feb 2021 #3

As a fellow Veteran, I endorse these comments. SKKY Feb 2021 #4

This fellow veteran seconds your endorsement and agrees 100%. Prof. Toru Tanaka Feb 2021 #11

As a fellow Veteran, I too endorse these comments. Johnyawl Feb 2021 #36

I'm a veteran as well, and I agree completely n/t Fortinbras Armstrong Feb 2021 #132

This message was self-deleted by its author Johnyawl Feb 2021 #38

Me too, and me too. maxrandb for SecDef! (or at least JAG.) soldierant Feb 2021 #124

Me too (n/t) OldBaldy1701E Feb 2021 #129

I saw that bit. underpants Feb 2021 #5

Every time I hear this sort of wingnut "hard ass" bloviating... JHB Feb 2021 #6

During World War Two Codifer Feb 2021 #23

veterans are people first... getagrip_already Feb 2021 #7

There were a lot of assholes in the Army When I was in. pwb Feb 2021 #8

My husband was in the Navy and would 100% agree with you kimbutgar Feb 2021 #55

I was a Navy Fire Controlman for over 10 years but I don't brag about my military prowess Kaleva Feb 2021 #56

The oath bottomofthehill Feb 2021 #9

After Trump, they may have to make a change to this oath... Prof. Toru Tanaka Feb 2021 #15

Copy, bottomofthehill Feb 2021 #17

That's what the final clause is for... Wounded Bear Feb 2021 #20

looking again, yes you are right on that Prof. Toru Tanaka Feb 2021 #52

I've never served, but when I read the oath, I felt the same way ... aggiesal Feb 2021 #69

Those "oath keepers" must, over time, come to realize that that "POTUS" was a domestic enemy MasonDreams Feb 2021 #104

Being a veteran...I appreciate and fully endorse your remarks. N_E_1 for Tennis Feb 2021 #10

Any vet at the Capitol who took their earlier oath seriously SCantiGOP Feb 2021 #42

There is nothing predictive about being a veteran. MineralMan Feb 2021 #12

BRAVO! stevesinpa Feb 2021 #50

Here! Here! maxrandb Feb 2021 #75

Think your post expresses my feeling accurately. Hulk Feb 2021 #78

Everyone who served in the military did it for different reasons. MineralMan Feb 2021 #84

I totally agree... Callmecrazy Feb 2021 #114

They make me puke Yeehah Feb 2021 #13

No, They Only Embarrass and Shame Themselves COL Mustard Feb 2021 #35

Completely agree, brothers in mops Demonaut Feb 2021 #14

Fantastic post. They probably never even read the Constitution judesedit Feb 2021 #16

They are defending an erroneous set of factoids, not the Constitution Bernardo de La Paz Feb 2021 #91

Is it really the education system? Joelteply Feb 2021 #122

Most schools don't offer those classes now. They don't want you to think. What you are judesedit Feb 2021 #126

+++ The Polack MSgt Feb 2021 #18

This Irish ex-Petty Officer 2nd class concurs! Ohiya Feb 2021 #44

Oooh-Rah Master Sargent maxrandb Feb 2021 #76

My apologies to you, guys like that make people suspicious of the military. plimsoll Feb 2021 #19

I disagree, dware Feb 2021 #74

I hope you're correct, because we've bet our lives on it. plimsoll Feb 2021 #89

EXACTLY NC DENVERPOPS Feb 2021 #94

I take pride in knowing maxrandb Feb 2021 #77

I don't get "defending the Constitution by attacking my government" CaptainTruth Feb 2021 #21

Exactly - they swore an oath to defend the Constitution FakeNoose Feb 2021 #29

Could be they don't know the difference between Democracy and Fascism NoRoadUntravelled Feb 2021 #41

They were willing for someone else to die for Chump FakeNoose Feb 2021 #97

I served, someone from every generation of my father's family since before the Civil War served Rural_Progressive Feb 2021 #116

I am not a Veteran. Thank you and all other Veterans for your service. Raster Feb 2021 #22

Most people who use the Constitution to justify their actions haven't read it. LastLiberal in PalmSprings Feb 2021 #24

Retired enlisted can and have been recalled. sarge43 Feb 2021 #57

Would they have to be retired? Or could anyone who served - even for two years - Rabrrrrrr Feb 2021 #71

Probably limited to retirees maxrandb Feb 2021 #79

Depends upon their status sarge43 Feb 2021 #85

Thanks for the information. LastLiberal in PalmSprings Feb 2021 #93

Thank you, sir. sarge43 Feb 2021 #100

d. trump - ex -president draft dodger -chief !!! monkeyman1 Feb 2021 #25

Hear, hear. And thank you for your service. shrike3 Feb 2021 #26

Some of Trump's terrorists have tried to enlist and some have gotten in. keithbvadu2 Feb 2021 #27

Bear in min that ... relayerbob Feb 2021 #28

That Happened To Me, Too ProfessorGAC Feb 2021 #80

Very well said. TheCowsCameHome Feb 2021 #30

4 out of 5 Dentist 4Q2u2 Feb 2021 #31

I confronted a neighbor of ours who said he was a "veteran who would defend Trump to the death". redstatebluegirl Feb 2021 #32

Nicely put. Thanks. (nt) Paladin Feb 2021 #33

May those of us veterans have difficulty for the rest of their lives. leanforward Feb 2021 #34

I have a theory that most of these guys are just "I wannabe a soldier." Because they missed flying_wahini Feb 2021 #37

Maxrandb: SCantiGOP Feb 2021 #39

Well said. As a fellow vet (Vietnam Era, never served outside US) flamin lib Feb 2021 #40

Damn!!! Traildogbob Feb 2021 #43

Preach Ingersollman Feb 2021 #45

and if they are retired with benefits onethatcares Feb 2021 #46

Thank you, Brother sarge43 Feb 2021 #47

Hell yeah! BobTheSubgenius Feb 2021 #48

What goes through their minds? matt819 Feb 2021 #49

👍👍👍👍❤️❤️❤️❤️🌹🌹🌹 LiberalLoner Feb 2021 #51

Damn right - That oath was to an ideal, not a person packman Feb 2021 #53

Bravo magicksmom Feb 2021 #54

Oh HELL yeah! AmBlue Feb 2021 #58

I love every word you just said, Greybnk48 Feb 2021 #59

In the 1980's I knew Paramilitary Wannabe's in the Colorado Rockies. Tommymac Feb 2021 #60

Shave that raccoon off your face! Best line! and thank you for saying everything else, too! liberalla Feb 2021 #61

A-friggin-men! pandr32 Feb 2021 #62

Spot on! Richard58 Feb 2021 #63

On The Camo Wearing ProfessorGAC Feb 2021 #81

Agreed Redleg Feb 2021 #64

K & R SunSeeker Feb 2021 #65

+10000 Demsrule86 Feb 2021 #66

+100000000000000000000000000000000 x infinity AmyStrange Feb 2021 #67

hell yeah.... dhill926 Feb 2021 #68

Because one is a vet, or one is active service is no pass... Hulk Feb 2021 #70

Sign of the time reader1 Feb 2021 #87

I do believe that nonsense started after 9/11. llmart Feb 2021 #101

Well said maxrandb, dware Feb 2021 #72

Well that was a beaut! LOL. These guys (and some gals) remind me of kids play-acting. Texin Feb 2021 #73

Great Post, Max! ProfessorGAC Feb 2021 #82

Max for Secretary of Defense! world wide wally Feb 2021 #83

How many lie about being veterans Nululu Feb 2021 #86

I APPROVE THIS MESSAGE Skittles Feb 2021 #88

20 percent of military riflemen fired their weapons in WW II (quick Google) rickford66 Feb 2021 #90

We have a very small percentage that are truly at the front lines maxrandb Feb 2021 #134

I agree, I wish they would shut the Eff up! Baked Potato Feb 2021 #92

Vet here. Righteous rant, maxrandb. K & R Permanut Feb 2021 #95

My husband and I were both in the army during Vietnam. marie999 Feb 2021 #96

My Carrier was so far away during Afghanistan that maxrandb Feb 2021 #98

I love this post. /nt yardwork Feb 2021 #99

A uniform is a clothing item 1plus1equals1 Feb 2021 #102

those guys may be 'vets' but as an old militarybrat, I call them damncivilians. demigoddess Feb 2021 #103

K&R spanone Feb 2021 #105

Navy vet here... ooky Feb 2021 #106

THAT... ClusterFreak Feb 2021 #108

It's your standard post military service retirement resentment syndrome. Aussie105 Feb 2021 #109

Shave the raccoon off his face BigmanPigman Feb 2021 #110

I love the wannabe bad asses. Initech Feb 2021 #111

If you're a veteran who participated in the insurrection, you are a worthless fuck! Piratedog Feb 2021 #112

Thanks for my best laugh of the day. NoMoreRepugs Feb 2021 #113

I hope more of these insurrectionists out themselves Oakenshield Feb 2021 #115

Indeed! These are also the kind of Still Sensible Feb 2021 #117

Can I steal this? bluecollar2 Feb 2021 #118

Of course. DU is for sharing maxrandb Feb 2021 #130

Great post! PatrickforO Feb 2021 #119

OhFuckYEAH, Shipmate!!!! Stinky The Clown Feb 2021 #120

Thx, max Trueblue Texan Feb 2021 #121

Great post. Quick story here. Mr.Bill Feb 2021 #123

The hardest thing a soldier will ever do zipplewrath Feb 2021 #125

Forever, moving forward repukes will carry the label of the party of treason! The Jungle 1 Feb 2021 #127

Attaching Unarmed Congresspeople black-bear Feb 2021 #128

What on earth does "Constitution" mean to them? ananda Feb 2021 #131

Concur. denbot Feb 2021 #133