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Azathoth

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182. We're living in a post-truth world

Mon Mar 15, 2021, 09:13 PM

Mar 2021

Right-wingers are just more obvious about it because they tend to find themselves at odds with objective reality more often.

But objectivity and impartiality are out fashion across the spectrum.

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I don't know where to post this: I'd like to kick Woody Allen in his smarmy little [View all] Maraya1969 Mar 2021 OP

Amen! MaryMagdaline Mar 2021 #1

He. Is. Truly. Despicable. lucca18 Mar 2021 #2

Not sure exactly what to say so...... MuseRider Mar 2021 #3

Loved his films until all that came to light. I can't separate music, film, Hoyt Mar 2021 #4

I can't separate either Rorey Mar 2021 #6

i find it hard to separate also Demovictory9 Mar 2021 #44

I Can, Somewhat ProfessorGAC Mar 2021 #121

I liked his early, funny movies. TrunKated Mar 2021 #5

I have always found Woody Allen to be... 3catwoman3 Mar 2021 #7

I've always thought he used child like, naive characters to be deceptive AnotherMother4Peace Mar 2021 #12

Me too. Never liked him or his "comedies". Ever. Dave Starsky Mar 2021 #83

Don't you find it amazing ... NanceGreggs Mar 2021 #8

Sorry. I've thought he was a creep since he hooked up with TexasBushwhacker Mar 2021 #10

They never had a father/daughter ... NanceGreggs Mar 2021 #13

"Beware of Young Girls" by Dory Previn... GReedDiamond Mar 2021 #23

OMG. I had no idea she wrote this song. Percy Mar 2021 #132

A stepchild isn't a blood relative TexasBushwhacker Mar 2021 #30

I never said you claimed otherwise. NanceGreggs Mar 2021 #46

Did you Dorian Gray Mar 2021 #73

The fact that all of them called him "Dad" doesn't matter I suppose. Maraya1969 Mar 2021 #87

Did any of them take pornographic pictures of you the way Allen did of Soon-Yi? Doc Sportello Mar 2021 #106

You know NOTHING of my life's experiences ... NanceGreggs Mar 2021 #193

Woody is a rich and famous guy. If he wanted a younger woman, he had his pick. But of all the women shrike3 Mar 2021 #114

Still Creepy as fuck. Dorian Gray Mar 2021 #72

Big deal. She was his lover's daughter. Men with even a shred of decency would consider her shrike3 Mar 2021 #117

Mia was 25 and Andre was 41 when they began their affair, a a 16 year age difference dlk Mar 2021 #125

Trying to excuse Allen's behavior by pointing out that Mia's not an angel... Crunchy Frog Mar 2021 #154

I am merely pointing out ... NanceGreggs Mar 2021 #176

It doesn't matter to me whether she's telling the truth about anything. Crunchy Frog Mar 2021 #177

No sweat. NanceGreggs Mar 2021 #178

I believe that Dylan, as an adult woman, is able to speak for herself. Crunchy Frog Mar 2021 #180

If you've been told repeatedly ... NanceGreggs Mar 2021 #183

That's what did it for me, and I absolutely LOVED his movies... Crunchy Frog Mar 2021 #152

You are so ill-informed on this Doc Sportello Mar 2021 #11

Yeah, I'll watch it ... NanceGreggs Mar 2021 #14

Spoken like a man. som Maraya1969 Mar 2021 #20

No. NanceGreggs Mar 2021 #58

This is not the hill Dorian Gray Mar 2021 #74

He may have had sex with Soon-Yi when she was a young as 15 Doc Sportello Mar 2021 #107

Just because something is ... NanceGreggs Mar 2021 #175

Sorry you don't get to make claims about facts when you totally ignore them Doc Sportello Mar 2021 #179

Here are the facts I rely on ... NanceGreggs Mar 2021 #181

If you haven't watched the doc, you're in no position to claim it is or isn't biased. ShazzieB Mar 2021 #190

I haven't seen Mark Lindell's ... NanceGreggs Mar 2021 #192

I dare you to watch the 2nd episode, where you can see 7 year old Dylan talking, pnwmom Mar 2021 #54

And you discerned ... NanceGreggs Mar 2021 #64

It wasn't just me, though I have an 8 year old granddaughter and Dylan, pnwmom Mar 2021 #66

Woody didn't 'convince' me of anything. NanceGreggs Mar 2021 #67

YES. It's very feasible. It's a myth that pedophiles are always repeat offenders. pnwmom Mar 2021 #80

Ok Jeffery. Maraya1969 Mar 2021 #90

That's ridiculous and you know it.. mountain grammy Mar 2021 #95

Go ahead and maintain your ignorance Doc Sportello Mar 2021 #105

Moses contradicts his sister Dylan about the Woody Allen sexual abuse claims. Mosby Mar 2021 #16

Yes and all the other children say Moses is lying. And Ronan Farrow said that Maraya1969 Mar 2021 #18

I'll say it. He took the money. gldstwmn Mar 2021 #42

I agree. I'm sure he did. shrike3 Mar 2021 #115

Have you seen the documentary? Doc Sportello Mar 2021 #104

He took the money. gldstwmn Mar 2021 #214

I am really disgusted by some of the men's behavior on this thread. They didn't Maraya1969 Mar 2021 #29

Agree! mountain grammy Mar 2021 #97

Yes! ShazzieB Mar 2021 #191

It is disgusting and more evidence of why Allen got away with it Doc Sportello Mar 2021 #109

I didn't watch the documentary. But here's what always bothered me. Woody appealed the custody shrike3 Mar 2021 #116

You obviously did not watch the documentary. There were plenty of people who Maraya1969 Mar 2021 #17

Have you watched the My Pillow Guy's documentary ... NanceGreggs Mar 2021 #19

You really think your comment is so witty that you need to repeat it twice? Maraya1969 Mar 2021 #21

Alert on you for what? NanceGreggs Mar 2021 #22

Thank you for mansplaining this case of a pedophile to us, especially when Maraya1969 Mar 2021 #26

Heed your own mantra. Jakes Progress Mar 2021 #39

The documentary showed actual documents. Including therapist reports and Maraya1969 Mar 2021 #89

Why are you so wrapped up in this case to the point that you're using personal insults toward Treefrog Mar 2021 #99

It happened to me. And to many others. And we know more than most what Maraya1969 Mar 2021 #101

A different point of view based on thin air.. mountain grammy Mar 2021 #102

I still don't get how calling another poster on a Democratic board a 'republican' or 'trumplike' Treefrog Mar 2021 #123

+1000 bigtree Mar 2021 #129

Try to be a little more critical in your thinking Jakes Progress Mar 2021 #187

Moses likely got money and help from Woody. I remember all of a sudden when Moses came on Woody's shrike3 Mar 2021 #128

Got evidence? Jakes Progress Mar 2021 #157

Well, we kind of have Moses' words. He's all about his mother for so long, then all of a sudden -- shrike3 Mar 2021 #158

Gee. What a telling argument. Jakes Progress Mar 2021 #186

Um, Woody's camp was given the opportunity to participate. The producers recently offered to shrike3 Mar 2021 #201

Who says? Jakes Progress Mar 2021 #204

Somehow I have the sense you're a guy. shrike3 Mar 2021 #205

So all men are despicable? Jakes Progress Mar 2021 #208

So now I'm 'mansplaining' ... NanceGreggs Mar 2021 #40

Hey Nance. My father sexually abused me starting at 11. 7wo7rees Mar 2021 #57

No mea culpas here. NanceGreggs Mar 2021 #62

My friend was accused by his ex of abusing their daughter. He went to court for, and obtained, shrike3 Mar 2021 #124

Yeah, I'd say you're mansplaining. shrike3 Mar 2021 #119

This message was self-deleted by its author shrike3 Mar 2021 #120

The documentary was extremely one sided Johnny2X2X Mar 2021 #25

You didn't watch the documentary either. Because the judge never said she was coached. Maraya1969 Mar 2021 #27

Did you watch all 4 episodes? It seems you can't have because there was a mountain pnwmom Mar 2021 #75

I did watch it, and I followed the case when it broke 25 years ago. Johnny2X2X Mar 2021 #86

I guess you missed the parts where the doc dealt with those experts Doc Sportello Mar 2021 #108

Why bring Weinstein into it, he has nothing to do with this case. Johnny2X2X Mar 2021 #111

Good grief, it's an obvious connection and your claim about the investigations is false Doc Sportello Mar 2021 #122

The judge did not reject the allegation of sexual abuse. He denied Woody custody and even visitation pnwmom Mar 2021 #168

Thank you for his good summary! nt pnwmom Mar 2021 #167

Thanks Doc Sportello Mar 2021 #170

Several years ago I read the complete trial transcript, and that's when I made up my mind. pnwmom Mar 2021 #184

Enough time has passed that the documentary only has to tell the truth. And the truth pnwmom Mar 2021 #166

You KNOW the documentary is 100% accurate??? No!! Nt USALiberal Mar 2021 #76

People should NOT make judgements based on a one sided documentary. themaguffin Mar 2021 #172

No, his daughter made the accusation herself, as an adult, and so has Ronan Farrow, pnwmom Mar 2021 #32

Soon-yi herself stated ... NanceGreggs Mar 2021 #43

Weren't you seven years old yourself? I have very clear memories at that age. pnwmom Mar 2021 #45

And we all know ... NanceGreggs Mar 2021 #49

Thou protest too much. Maraya1969 Mar 2021 #92

Seriously. ShazzieB Mar 2021 #194

+1 betsuni Mar 2021 #48

+1 betsuni Mar 2021 #34

Nope Dorian Gray Mar 2021 #71

LOL, you mean "Raison d'etre"??? USALiberal Mar 2021 #77

Lol. No I didn't. Dorian Gray Mar 2021 #82

Nice try! Nt USALiberal Mar 2021 #88

Let me guess. Another man. Maraya1969 Mar 2021 #93

At what? Dorian Gray Mar 2021 #150

Another takeaway from the series is Mia is a total whack job. BannonsLiver Mar 2021 #112

May very well be. Still does nothing to exonerate Allen. Crunchy Frog Mar 2021 #165

Uh, it was kind of like the child that accused him. Oh, and Mia's daughter is just a younger woman? shrike3 Mar 2021 #113

It looks like Mia can't stop taking vengeance for him leaving. lagomorph777 Mar 2021 #133

She's kind of entitled to some vengeance. shrike3 Mar 2021 #135

She's letting him live in her head rent-free forever. lagomorph777 Mar 2021 #136

She's got kids, grandchildren, money. How is she wrecking her life? She certainly didn't ruin shrike3 Mar 2021 #139

After 25 years, her entire life is built around vengeance. That is not healthy. lagomorph777 Mar 2021 #140

Her entire life is built around vengeance????? shrike3 Mar 2021 #145

I'm guessing you didn't watch the HBO documentary Beaverhausen Mar 2021 #138

+1 Lucinda Mar 2021 #149

Agree. jeffreyi Mar 2021 #189

Was going to post something saying pretty much the same thing Doc Sportello Mar 2021 #9

Well said, thank you. mountain grammy Mar 2021 #103

Excellent summation. ShazzieB Mar 2021 #195

Kickin' with disgust! Faux pas Mar 2021 #15

Allen was friends with Jeffrey Epstein dlk Mar 2021 #24

And his romance with Mariel Hemingway"s character in TexasBushwhacker Mar 2021 #35

He makes my skin crawl dlk Mar 2021 #118

Yeah, Mariel said that after they shot Manhattan TexasBushwhacker Mar 2021 #163

Not surprising dlk Mar 2021 #164

What do you think of Hadley Freeman's critique of the docuseries in the Guardian? andym Mar 2021 #28

He was pretty obviously with his wife when she was in high school. The Doormen Maraya1969 Mar 2021 #33

I didn't state my conclusion because I haven't found the evidence conclusive andym Mar 2021 #47

That's where I'm at too Johnny2X2X Mar 2021 #126

The Guardian has been running "Woody is innocent" articles for years. shrike3 Mar 2021 #130

I think that you mean to write "jibed." Treefrog Mar 2021 #100

This piece is garbage. Dylan was 7 years old when all this started. At the time, pnwmom Mar 2021 #37

A 7 year old as well as an adult can be convinced to believe false memories andym Mar 2021 #50

False memory syndrome is related to RECOVERED memories. She had no recovered memory therapy. pnwmom Mar 2021 #51

Timing is the key for recovered memories andym Mar 2021 #53

No. Recovered memories are memories that only surface after work in therapy. pnwmom Mar 2021 #55

False memory syndrome is far more general than being created by analysts under hypnosis andym Mar 2021 #56

The event in the attic happened one day. The very next day, a nanny who had been present pnwmom Mar 2021 #59

The event in the attic happened one day. The very next day, a nanny who had been present pnwmom Mar 2021 #60

Actually far worse than the story about Allen andym Mar 2021 #63

If you're talking about the woman who reported seeing him with his face in pnwmom Mar 2021 #65

The reporter is also very TERFy obamanut2012 Mar 2021 #68

So many Allen apologists make a big deal of the Valentine with a knife through it shrike3 Mar 2021 #127

Ok. I have watched this with trepidation. I still have to get through tonites final. 7wo7rees Mar 2021 #31

I was molested by our church minister. When I finally told my parents my mothers Maraya1969 Mar 2021 #36

I appreciate the kind words. I survived and we now live with and take care of my mother. 7wo7rees Mar 2021 #52

I'm very sorry that happened to you. n/t shrike3 Mar 2021 #131

I am so very sorry that happened to you or any child. And I believe you, of course. pnwmom Mar 2021 #38

I can't look at gldstwmn Mar 2021 #41

'The brother turned against Mia and his siblings for money'. speak easy Mar 2021 #61

Ronan Farrow says that he himself was offered substantial money by Allen. pnwmom Mar 2021 #70

Moses did exacty what Ronan was asked to do. gldstwmn Mar 2021 #161

The same with folks on DU who have always supported him obamanut2012 Mar 2021 #69

I enjoyed reading Allen's "Apropos of Nothing" and am now reading Garrison Keillor's betsuni Mar 2021 #78

I've known several women who have told me about being tavernier Mar 2021 #79

The creep tried to seduce Mariel Hemingway He is a pederast to be most kind. alphafemale Mar 2021 #81

Well, this thread is appalling obamanut2012 Mar 2021 #84

+1 n/t OneGrassRoot Mar 2021 #110

Why has Mia Farrow supported Roman Polanski? kskiska Mar 2021 #85

Farrow RobinA Mar 2021 #143

Woody could have gotten out of this clean if he hadn't decided to do his lover's daughter. shrike3 Mar 2021 #147

He's an asshole and pedophile. Elessar Zappa Mar 2021 #91

Having worked with pedophiles and victims of trauma theneworiginal Mar 2021 #96

It's amazing what happens when someone controls their own narrative, and what I always find most WhiskeyGrinder Mar 2021 #94

I agree with you and feeling a bit disgusted with myself. mountain grammy Mar 2021 #98

There are two sides. Johnny2X2X Mar 2021 #134

Brother Ronan says Woody was always offering money to the children for coming on his side. shrike3 Mar 2021 #137

Agree with this Johnny2X2X Mar 2021 #141

Frankly, after reading Orth's original article on the case, I came to the conclusion neither Woody shrike3 Mar 2021 #146

What do you mean "Moses' about face". Did he tell a different story at some point Beringia Mar 2021 #142

Um, he said nothing for years. All of a sudden, though, he's got a different story. shrike3 Mar 2021 #144

Any proof? Jakes Progress Mar 2021 #209

Normally there are three truths misanthrope Mar 2021 #169

Good point. n/t shrike3 Mar 2021 #174

Why does Moses get to speak for Dylan? obamanut2012 Mar 2021 #196

Good point. shrike3 Mar 2021 #202

I believe Dillion, Corgigal Mar 2021 #148

I hope there is one point everyone here can agree upon. drbtg1 Mar 2021 #151

Any info on the who what when of this video? Documentary? documentarians? 2.5 hr video made by whom? AnotherMother4Peace Mar 2021 #153

The information you seek is easily obtainable on your own. drbtg1 Mar 2021 #160

Never a good idea to click on blind YouTube videos - never. AnotherMother4Peace Mar 2021 #162

We're right back where we were on this topic 15 years ago. maxsolomon Mar 2021 #155

Crimes and Misdemeanors is still one of the best movies I've ever seen. More than a few artists, shrike3 Mar 2021 #156

I agree. He made great films for almost 20 years. maxsolomon Mar 2021 #159

I read an interview with a pedophile who hadn't reoffended in 30 years. (The police confirmed this, shrike3 Mar 2021 #173

Citation? Jakes Progress Mar 2021 #188

I believe it was an interview in the National Catholic Reporter. They used his real name, but it's shrike3 Mar 2021 #200

Sort of lets Allen off the hook. Jakes Progress Mar 2021 #203

If you think that let's him off the hook, bless your heart. shrike3 Mar 2021 #206

You're not even paying attention to your own posts. Jakes Progress Mar 2021 #207

LMAO. I sure triggered you. Wonder why. Guess I'll never know. Have a good day. shrike3 Mar 2021 #210

You tried. Makes sense they way the documentary triggered you. Jakes Progress Mar 2021 #211

Woody, is that you? shrike3 Mar 2021 #212

Good. You now admit you have lost all credibility. Jakes Progress Mar 2021 #213

OH FFS. We. Do. Not. Know. What. Happened. Jesus, don't be like right wingers themaguffin Mar 2021 #171

We're living in a post-truth world Azathoth Mar 2021 #182

Yes, we do -- unless you are accusing the victim of lying obamanut2012 Mar 2021 #197

Completely agree! What a monster that guy is! Initech Mar 2021 #185

Post removed Post removed Mar 2021 #198

The victim's testimony is not "shit". marble falls Mar 2021 #199