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ShazzieB

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18. Okay, but

Mon Apr 12, 2021, 05:36 PM

Apr 2021

I agree that law enforcement does little to deter certain kinds of crimes. But getting rid of it entirely is not the answer. Which is just as well, because there's no way enough people would ever agree to support such a plan.

Lots of reform is needed, for law enforcement and the whole criminal justice system. The way cops are recruited and trained needs to change drastically. And yes, reallocation of some of the money now earmarked for policing is a good idea, But just eliminate law enforcement entirely? No way. Even IF people could somehow be talked into it (fat chance), the results would be chaos.

Ain't gonna happen, and wouldn't have the results you're proposing if it did.

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The system is not reformable. WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2021 #1

Systems change all the time. Phoenix61 Apr 2021 #2

When a system is built on white supremacy to uphold the white supremacy around it, abolition WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2021 #4

So we get rid of law enforcement? nt Phoenix61 Apr 2021 #5

Yes. WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2021 #7

And do what? nt Phoenix61 Apr 2021 #8

About what? WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2021 #10

Seriously? You said we should get rid of law enforcement. Phoenix61 Apr 2021 #11

Because law enforcement does little to deter those kind of crimes, we have to look at why they WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2021 #14

Okay, but ShazzieB Apr 2021 #18

"But getting rid of it entirely is not the answer." WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2021 #22

If it isn't self evident why a country without any law enforcement would be a chaotic mess, ShazzieB Apr 2021 #25

Law enforcement is not what keeps me from chaos. WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2021 #29

Nonsense. Without some form of law enforcement, wnylib Apr 2021 #27

Is law enforcement's mission to provide vengeance? They certainly provide some form of gang- WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2021 #30

Just the opposite. Part of their wnylib Apr 2021 #34

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The cops show up after those things happen. gldstwmn Apr 2021 #41

I've never said law enforcement was a deterrent. Phoenix61 Apr 2021 #43

We kind of saw what happens... TheRealNorth Apr 2021 #9

Simply getting rid of the cops isn't how to build a world without cops. WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2021 #12

Good luck with that. whathehell Apr 2021 #19

Don't I know it. WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2021 #20

..Then why do you imagine that would change? whathehell Apr 2021 #24

Because there are a lot of things we haven't tried that could work. We have to keep trying. WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2021 #28

Keep your eye on Maryland where the legislature overrode a veto and made a great first . . . . . Stinky The Clown Apr 2021 #3

The only thing in that article I see directly attempting to end cop violence is the end of no-knock WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2021 #6

And it seems to be, with body cams, they have to be turned ON to do any good. calimary Apr 2021 #46

Yes it is, just do what the US military MPs do. Here's a list uponit7771 Apr 2021 #15

I'd like to add a 5th point. Gore1FL Apr 2021 #21

Yep that should be against the law period. That's predatory uponit7771 Apr 2021 #40

This is another excellent idea. calimary Apr 2021 #48

Best post I've seen on this subject because you have provided a working alterntive. intheflow Apr 2021 #38

..👍🏼 uponit7771 Apr 2021 #39

I saw on Twitter last night that the notice gldstwmn Apr 2021 #42

+1, uponit7771 Apr 2021 #44

VERY good ideas! calimary Apr 2021 #47

Okay. Done. Stinky The Clown Apr 2021 #13

The thin blue line and police unions. underpants Apr 2021 #16

Maybe if we paid them to stay home /nt bucolic_frolic Apr 2021 #17

I watch a lot of British detective cop shows and they always call out the "armed response teams" if Pepsidog Apr 2021 #23

The warrent was for a misdemeanor gun charge, not a traffic warrent dflprincess Apr 2021 #31

Thanks for the correction. Pepsidog Apr 2021 #36

Makes me wonder how the cops handled the original gun charge wellst0nev0ter Apr 2021 #45

More Americans have guns than the British IronLionZion Apr 2021 #37

Good discussion. I think the US being AWASH with weapons changes the whole picture. Add Evolve Dammit Apr 2021 #26

Calls for "police reform" will have as much impact as . . . AverageOldGuy Apr 2021 #32

Glenn Kirschner, on his "Justice Matters" podcast, soldierant Apr 2021 #33